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Hello all, first post. :)

I'd like to know what is the best soft sampler to invest in. I'm using Pro Tools and need high quality piano, keys, orchestral, ethnic and other 'real' sounds. The synthy stuff and effects I can live without as I tend to use Reason a lot. I compose for TV and Radio commercials so it needs to be flexible, have a large, quality library and be stable within Pro Tools, as well as being the place where I can play and control any samples that come my way.

I'm basically looking at either NI's Kontakt 2 or MOTU's Mach 5, both of which seem to be the daddy as far as soft samplers are concerned. Can anyone recommend another of this kind of quality or give me advice on these two as regards to working in PT?

After doing a bit of research on the Mach 5 and Kontakt 2, I can see that, while they're both comprably impressive, the MOTU comes with 4GB of samples whilst the NI comes with 14GB!! I know that included libraries are not always the definitive set, but that's quite a bit more of an investment in my eyes.

It's also more powerful (with the script processing and stuff) but this is reflected in the price - it's about 100 quid more. However, I just found a place that is doing an offer of the Kontakt bundled with some other library for only 200 quid!!!

However, concerning complimentary libraries, I thought that those samples libraries that come with their own player (specifically those ones that come with the Kompakt front end) would have the option of being played through the Kontakt or Mach instead. Is this not the case? It would indeed be annoying to have a different interface for each library I might use, rather than using one for everything (which would be the whole point of my purchase). I'm not buying it for the included library - I want a great sampler that I can use for all my sample playing needs, whatever sounds I decide to get in the future, so it has to be flexible.

Also, with the extensive import options of both of these players, I assumed that practically any library would be able to be used with either of them with no problems. Is this also false? Are there hidden parameters in samples other than the file name that I am unaware of?

The Kontakt Library seems pretty good, but I only heard the online demo tracks. It's got Vienna Symphonic Orchestra samples as well as a ton of others. I figured that this was probably a better investment than the 4GB of samples with the Mach 5, but then I haven't been able to actually hear them.

It's difficult, because how do you try out these bits of kit? Demos I suppose, but I'd rather just try them out somewhere.

Ooh, it's a toughy, innit? I've heard really great things about both these samplers from a huge variety of people. The Mach 5 has a really nice interface and seems perfectly powerful enough for my needs, but the Kontakt is also very powerful and flexible and would give me the option of mangling my sounds a bit more if I felt the need for some sound design.

Plus, with this offer, the Kontakt is actually cheaper than the Mach 5 and comes with a whole other library of sounds.

Incidentally, I'm aware that Gigastudio is also supposed to be a towering giant among samplers, but as it's recommend that you run it on it's own, dedicated PC, that's not really an option for me right now.

Also, I know that I should install all programs and plugins on the OS drive and record all sessions on the audio drive, but what's the best way to store and organise sample libraries? On a partition on the audio drive? On a seperate drive? On the OS drive?


Phew, long first post and a lot of questions I know! But you guys were recommended to me for this type of question so I had to get it all out. :wink:

Thanks a bundle.

the tortoise
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Noone? :(

I guess it was a bit long. :roll:
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I think one of the reasons you are not getting a lot of replies is most of the people (if I am wrong, please do not yell) use PC's, as do I. I do not know how well Kontakt 2 or Mach 5 works on Apple computer.

I tend to think Kontakt 2 is preferable based on the notion that more top end sample libraries are developed for it. But, again, I do not know much about Apple computers.

Actually, your best audience for this question is probably at Northern Sounds. I would ask it there.

Good luck!

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Well, I've been using Kontakt w/Sonar for a while, and it's been extremely stable. Can't comment on Mach 5 nor PT though.

Kompakt Player synths/libraries (StormDrum, Vapor, etc.) work well inside of Kontakt. The best thing to do is to download the demos. Maybe for you it's just a "workflow" thing, not necessarily features?

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When did I mention Macs?

I'm on PC too. :)
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the tortoise wrote:When did I mention Macs?

I'm on PC too. :)
Oh, I assumed you were using a Mac when you said you were using Pro Tools. From what I understand, Pro Tools has a somewhat stripped down version that works on PC's? Sorry about my ignorance on this topic.

Anyway, I guess now I do not know how well Kontatk integrates with your Pro Toosl set ups versus Mach 5. The fact that you are using a PC leans me more heavily toward Kontatk 2, but this is not based on any experience and on very little information.

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I can share my little experience on Mach 5 / PC. (I've mentioned these things several times, sorry if someone out there thinks I'm on a mission against it :P).

Version 1.2 was what I got to check out.

First of all, the drag'n'drop operation is really counterintuitive. Even though Kontakt's patch browser isn't the friendliest around, who of us are running a file manager onscreen simultaneously with the host app? And while some host apps (such as FL Studio) provide a file browser, plenty don't.

Second, the effects cut off the audio, crackle, stutter etc. when switched. Sometimes for a couple of seconds even. Although the effect system is somewhat nice and the effects are ok, it wasn't tolerable at all to me.

Featurewise it is nice, and I do like how it looks. Filters are ok, and so on. But compared to Kontakt, there is no competition really. Same for usability, both have their quirks but overall Kontakt is easier to get into, provides you way much more power and allows you to do a lot of things that are still untouchable by the announced Mach 5 v2.

So... despite the occasional hiccups K2 has (nothing like seeing your computer spontaneously reboot when you start loading a new project, and your previous project had K2 in it!), I'd seriously consider it as the sampler to go for.

Sound library -wise, K2 also comes on top. It's a really useful thing that those Kompakt, Intakt etc. based libraries can be used in Kontakt. Admittedly, Mach 5 has something similar up its sleeve, you can load and tweak to your hearts the contents some of UVI engine based libraries (those Plugsound things contain nice stuff and you can get a bundle of them for really cheap) but doesn't really match what's out there based on NI engines.

You should search for Kontakt user comments though, some people have had serious troubles while some haven't experienced anything apart from minor annoyances, and there's an awful lot of people who don't speak about their glitchfree experiences :) (the place where I freelance at utilizes K2 on Macs, and apart from a certain polyphony related niggle, no crashes, reboots or similar issues some PC users have reported)

Regards,

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the tortoise wrote:When did I mention Macs?

I'm on PC too. :)
the tortoise wrote:After doing a bit of research on the Mach 5...

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Hi Dimitri,Check your Private Messages :)
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funkynuts wrote:Hi Dimitri,Check your Private Messages :)

Dimitri? :lol: - if that ain't ignorance!!! :shock: :lol:

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jens wrote:
funkynuts wrote:Hi Dimitri,Check your Private Messages :)

Dimitri? :lol: - if that ain't ignorance!!! :shock: :lol:
True typo on my part, sorry Dmitri
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funkynuts wrote:
jens wrote:
funkynuts wrote:Hi Dimitri,Check your Private Messages :)

Dimitri? :lol: - if that ain't ignorance!!! :shock: :lol:
True typo on my part, sorry Dmitri
:shock: :lol:

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jens wrote:
funkynuts wrote:
jens wrote:
funkynuts wrote:Hi Dimitri,Check your Private Messages :)

Dimitri? :lol: - if that ain't ignorance!!! :shock: :lol:
True typo on my part, sorry Dmitri
:shock: :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shostakovich
:o Excuse my ignorance,i,m afraid i,m not well educated .(and obviously not very observant today either)

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:lol: no problem - be as ignorant as you want to - I just found it funny... :-D

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i use reason in protools as a sampler,works with the mac so i imagine the pc version would run fine too.
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