Magix Deluxe 2005--What Do You Guys think About it ???..

[BabyaSoftwareGr]

The German 2006 includes something newe along the lines of SampleTank or NSKit (can't remember which one) and Mastering Studio

[BabyaSoftwareGr]

The synths with MAGIX are some from Apple Logic but named differently-EXS24 samples work great in MS10.

[TheUDE]

... If you have a version already, you should be able to get a discount from Magix for the new version.

up to now that was so (although their upgrade discount was ridiculous small)
I telephoned to them and asked for an upgrade price from my version 2003. it's no more possible.

Thanks for letting me know. I've no idea whether that new policy applies to all their distribution zones, but I'll bear it in mind. Amazon or one of the other boxshifters may be the best bet, then.

And yes, it looks like the latest version includes something called "Sampletank SE" or "Sampletank MX", depending on which site you look at - whether this will offer more than the current Sampletank Free, I've no idea at this stage.

Here's some of the new effects listed for the latest release (the US won't see this version for some months):

http://site.magix.net/deutsch/startseit ... 1&version=
VAX9 is the synth that currently plays out of tune. No doubt a patch will arrive in time.

[Aneurysm]

I recently got the newest US version. Music Stuido Deluxe10 (just a bit newer than MS2005, It's apparently the 2006 European version.) I use the Midi Studio part a great deal.

I find the Midi Stuido part indispensible...it uses Multiple Midi & Audio Devices. It actually sends Midi Clock properly to sync my hardware synths to host tempo, unlike quite a few far more expensive hosts. The colors are nearly all user-definable, but I agree with the previous post that the default GUI colors are really ugly.

Defintely a great value and my beloved new VSTi Wusikstation V2 runs flawlessly.

The Audio Studio is derived from Samplitude and is really powerful, but certainly not intuitive. If the audio studio & midi stuido were more integrated with one another, this could easily rival hosts in the high-dollar category.

[lion_cub]

It's good if you've got more time to spend on using the interface than making music.

[TheUDE]

It's good if you've got more time to spend on using the interface than making music.

In what way? What about the interface of either Audio Studio or Midi Studio holds you up?

Like Aneurysm, I use Midi Studio extensively, Audio Studio less so (it's better than Midi Studio for longer audio recordings as it preallocates disk space, other than that, I mainly use it as a glorified sample editor and for mastering - though Midi Studio includes Logic's Sample Editor, which does most things I need).

I own or have tried demos of most of the popular sequencers - each has its own learning curve, each is likely to appeal to some folks' approach to music-making and not to others', and I find Midi Studio very intuitive to use myself. But then I did print out the manual and take the time to learn about it.

Personally, I can't hack sequencers that don't have a proper Arrange page, such as the FruityLoops family, or Reason, or Orion (which I have a copy of and have barely opened as its workflow doesn't suit the music I try to make very well), but I don't feel the need to pop up during discussions of these apps and make general cryptic criticisms of them which don't do much to inform the original poster of this thread.

It's mostly a question of what you get used to. I made my first "tune" with Midi Studio within a couple of hours of installing it (it was no great shakes, but that's not the software's problem). That's more than I can say for the other apps I've tried (except perhaps eJay ...)!

[rockstar_not]

It's good if you've got more time to spend on using the interface than making music.

In what way? What about the interface of either Audio Studio or Midi Studio holds you up?

The fact that these are separated entities is what seems like crap to me.

I bought version 2000 for 10$ at Best Buy. I couldn't believe it when I found out that these were separate applications. That was out-dated even then.

Now, I happily use audio and MIDI, even on the same track if necessary (to visually align audio transients and midi events). Can't imagine how this would work in Magix, if even possible.

-Scott

[TheUDE]

It's good if you've got more time to spend on using the interface than making music.

In what way? What about the interface of either Audio Studio or Midi Studio holds you up?

The fact that these are separated entities is what seems like crap to me.

I bought version 2000 for 10$ at Best Buy. I couldn't believe it when I found out that these were separate applications. That was out-dated even then.

Now, I happily use audio and MIDI, even on the same track if necessary (to visually align audio transients and midi events). Can't imagine how this would work in Magix, if even possible.

There must be some misunderstanding here.

Midi Studio (like Logic before it) can handle audio and MIDI tracks simultaneously perfectly well - that's what it's designed to do. In that sense, it's just like Cubase, in that you can indeed see MIDI and audio events simultaneously and line them up as you wish. ("Midi Studio" might seem like a misnomer in that case, but on opening the demo song on first installing, there are MIDI and audio tracks in the arrangement, so even if someone tries a demo, that much should be apparent, even without looking at the introductory manual.)

As I said above, if someone's working in pure audio, and especially if they're recording long live audio tracks, Audio Studio's the app to use, but you can drag and drop both audio and MIDI files into Midi Studio and manipulate them in a wide variety of ways.

So why is it a problem to have two sequencers - Midi Studio, which can handle audio, MIDI (and VSTis, of course), and Audio Studio, which is dedicated to specializing in audio? A version of Logic and a version of Samplitude for about £50 - not bad, IMO.

Both Midi Studio and Audio Studio can even run simultaneously if the user wants (though there aren't many circumstances where it's necessary). It's also possible to double-click on an audio part in Midi Studio to open up the built-in Sample Editor, or choose from within Midi Studio to open the audio part in Audio Studio (with Midi Studio still running) if you want to use some of the tools Audio Studio offers instead. Used in that way, it's a very powerful audio editor.

In terms of sequencing, from discussions I've had with users over the years, it looks like Audio Studio often appeals more to those who've come from a tape/mixing desk setup background, or who more often record live audio parts, but there's little that Audio Studio can do that Midi Studio can't, except record multiple audio inputs live (you can record a stereo pair or two mono tracks at a time in Midi Studio), though the bulk of new features (Elastic Easy Audio, for instance) come to Audio Studio. You choose your tool depending on what you want to do and personal preference.

Oh, and since it looks like we've a few Music Studio users here, I might as well mention the Magix User Board in case they haven't heard of it. Any specific tech problems should go through the usual Magix support channels first, but if anyone's having problems or isn't getting a response, then any issues can usually be sorted out pretty quickly, and it's also a good place to ask for tips or how to sort out any interfacing problems: http://support.magix.net/boards/magix/index.php?

[AndreasE]

So why is it a problem to have two sequencers - Midi Studio, which can handle audio, MIDI (and VSTis, of course), and Audio Studio, which is dedicated to specializing in audio? A version of Logic and a version of Samplitude for about £50 - not bad, IMO.

Absolutely right. But Magix Music Studio was always underrated and will probably be in the future.

Another underrated Magix software with a very good VFM is Magix Music Maker which now has full VSTi- and Midi-support. It´s very easy to handle and has many interesting features. I think it can be best compared to Ableton Live.

I took the following links from their english website:
http://site.magix.net/english-uk/home/m ... 1&version=
http://site.magix.net/english-uk/home/m ... 1&version=

[Templar]

I agree. Although I now migrated to Sonar 4 Producer yet I got started with Magix Studio and I created many tunes with it. People complain of difficulties in using the MIDI Studio. I found it very easy and very intuitive but the ease of use comes from your initial impressions (and actually the ability to look into the manual from time to time). My first impression was a very positive one and this is why I was determined to learn more. If your first impression isn't so favourable, you will never get the desire to learn it further.
I used it for about 2 years before I decided I learned enough about music production and that it is time I should move on to something more professional. I have some fond memories of Music Studio, of the many hours we spent together, becoming soulmates and I still keep a copy of Studio on my computer. My primary reason why I moved to Sonar is the 24bit 96KHz ability, which isn't really possible in Magix Music Studio (despite what the manual said).
It is really great program to learn music making and for the price the options included are unbeatable.

[fake]

As I have mentioned previously in other threads, I'm a big Magix user.

I have MS2005 deluxe and also Music Maker 2005 deluxe which was mainly bought to do video on. The "Logic" synths that now come with Midi studio, although a bit old are worth the cost alone.

To be honest, I don't find it necessary to keep switching between midi studio and audio studio as the latter I use mainly for mastering and burning to cd.

I can't see me updating anymore as the main problem for me in midi studio, no inserts and no 24/96 support, has not been sorted! So get ready to see it slated and derated this year in CMM.
Plus...I am now using Linux.

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[TheUDE]

I can't see me updating anymore as the main problem for me in midi studio, no inserts and no 24/96 support, has not been sorted! So get ready to see it slated and derated this year in CMM.

The latest versions now have 3 FX insert slots on all audio tracks in Midi Studio (I also mentioned ReWire support above).

Yeah, true 24/96 support will probably be a while coming, though. If there's a catch for starving student, that's probably it (not that the lack of it bothers me too much).

[fake]

Hi The UDE!

Yeah, I allready have that, it was included in a 2005 update as was the rewire support and the ES1 synth. Trouble is it's only on the audio tracks. The midi still only has sends.

Must admit though, chainer comes in handy for that.


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[TheUDE]

Trouble is it's only on the audio tracks. The midi still only has sends.

Must admit though, chainer comes in handy for that.

You mean you don't have inserts on the Audio Instrument tracks? Yeah, I'd been wondering whether Logic had those before it left PC. I use EnergyXT instead of Chainer for third-party VSTis if I need to add insert effects, but it means you can't add inserts to the built-in synths (or use the built-in effects in EnergyXT, obviously).

I reckon I'll put that feature on the Wishlist once I've gathered together a few other things and seen what else is doing in the latest UK version.