best value native plugins ever!

[bobby yarrow]

I spoke of this when it was first posted. I don't think a piece of software (regardless of what it is) could be justified at such a price when there are more meaningful/generous things you could do with so much money (...)

That's a pretty good point. I do question my seemingly infinite capacity to buy gear, and my seemingly consistent inability to support people & causes that really need my money.

There should be no 'that said,' but, that said, I definitely do try and figure out what EQ somebody used. I've been asked as recently as this week by a producer what EQ I used on a vocal. Sometimes the answer is some cheap(ish) plugin, and sometimes it's a pricey bit of hardware or some fancy plug, but question gets asked, for sure.

[Frippertronix]

Well, this could be settled easily. Take the demo of those EQ's, and then the demo of lets say hydratone. Take each one and cut a freq. If you (and I) hear a 1,200 dollar difference between the two in there then hey, you've convinced me.

Not easily. The demos require ILok.

[Frippertronix]

Anyone here arguing about URS good/bad, tried the Timeworks EQ's?

[Frippertronix]

I spoke of this when it was first posted. I don't think a piece of software (regardless of what it is) could be justified at such a price when there are more meaningful/generous things you could do with so much money (...)

That's a pretty good point. I do question my seemingly infinite capacity to buy gear, and my seemingly consistent inability to support people & causes that really need my money.

There should be no 'that said,' but, that said, I definitely do try and figure out what EQ somebody used. I've been asked as recently as this week by a producer what EQ I used on a vocal. Sometimes the answer is some cheap(ish) plugin, and sometimes it's a pricey bit of hardware or some fancy plug, but question gets asked, for sure.

There are definitely major differences in both h/w and s/w quality. Part of the reason all of us waste so much time here. It's not at all wrong to be thinking of whether even an expensive h/w or s/w piece might be an essential buy to boost your production quality by a noticeable degree. It's part of being a serious (pro or non) recording musician.

No name talks about other very important considerations like charity and I did give to help the quake victims a few days ago, but I'm also serious about music so it's just kind of the hard facts of life that putting together a studio is so expensive. I sometimes wonder if I should have been a poet or gotten serious about needlepoint when I'm pouring over price lists for music gear and apps on the internet.

[Sascha Franck]

I see it that way: I bought a Tom Anderson guitar some years back. Has it been overpriced? Heck, yes! WAY overpriced! Would it be possible to use another axe to get the jobs done I've played since then? Hell yes!
The Anderson paid off though. Why? It's not even well made in some aspects (most lousy shielding ever, tremolo arm some piece of shit, etc...). But when I grabbed it for the first time, it was like feeling "home" instantly, for whatever reasons.

Now, I may admit that for a software EQ there's more scientifically proveable reasons to buy it or not, but it's still the feeling that you might get the job done with it in a better way than with anything else. That's why you pay a premium sometimes.
I wouldn't. Most people on KVR wouldn't either. They don't need to. But most guitar players don't buy Andersons either because of a bad VFM factor.
And the VFM factor on high end prouct is allways becoming pretty bad. It's the same with cars, the same with food, the same with home HiFis, the same with traveling costs, with home rentals, etc etc etc...
You want something beyond "average" (even if it's just slightly beyond average)? Expect to pay a premium for it!

I could've bought a nice Strat PLUS a nice Tele for the same price I bought the Anderson for and still have some money left for some further luxus things. I could need both a real Strat and Tele very well. Do I regret purchasing the Anderson? No way! I enjoyed its comfort and the "home" feel endless times.

Sometimes you just gotta do such things, regardless whether they'll really improve the situation or not (as said, I could've used like any other axe for most jobs, and I'm sure there's cheaper EQs which would do a great job too). It's your personal perception that counts.

[BobYordan]

The risk of buying a $500 plug is that half year later there is a free plug that outscores it.

URS plugs etc are probably top notch now, but hopefully not forever.

[Alan]

but waves have comps, eqs, limiters, reverbs, delays, modulation, pitchshifters, noise removal, transient tools, de-essers etc with a nice and logical gui-design.

In reality it's good EQ and very good noise reduction for $3800 v/s very good EQ and (haven't heard the comps yet)for $1400.The rest of the Waves bundle you can equal with freeware these days(delays etc.).And the last part of the contest is PACE v/s i-Lok.Given a choice I'd go with the quality EQ at half the price of Waves and a protection scheme that doesn't screw with my sytem as much as PACE.At the end of the day though their just plugins and I get the job done quite nicely without that kind of price tag or copy protection scheme.If I were a project studio or any kind of commercial studio where I had to deal with 3rd party source material all the time I'd probably give in to either the PoCo and Oxford,or URS,but as it is I only record myself and the occasional vocalist so I don't have to worry later about quality and the right frequencies going in and any drastic EQ slope adjustments later on,just a little subtractive usually and I don't deal with too many unfamiliar samples.However,considering the quality of URS's EQ's v/s what Sony and UAD and Waves are charging,their actually a good buy considering the competition,but if their waiting for me to pull out my plastic,I'm afraid they'll be left holding their dongle.

[Uncle E]

Because capitalism isn't just merchants deciding on a price. For it to work the way it should, it also requires buyers saying things like "That's reasonable" and "Thats Insane". This sort of community hazing of every expensive product is what keeps prices low. And merchants who thrive in such an environment must do so by giving the very best VFM they can, because they can't form cartels. In return they can receive extreme, indeed sometimes almost fanatical customer loyalty. It is the invisible hand at its best and most visible.

As reasonable as that sounds, it doesn't explain why Apple & Digidesign can get away with so much while we're here hazing a company like URS.

[shamann]

As reasonable as that sounds, it doesn't explain why Apple & Digidesign can get away with so much while we're here hazing a company like URS.

It is strange how loyal people can be to brands which aren't the least bit loyal to them in return.

[Sascha Franck]

Seriously, having to buy an ILok just to try out a demo is ridiculous and those companies REALLY shouldn't wonder when people are looking for cracked versions instead.
Over here in Hannover (around half a million citizens) there's not a single place where I could buy a "solo" ILok (without any products coming along with it that is), so I'd have to buy online, wait for it to ship, etc. No way I would do that (and spend some silly 60 bucks for it, too), it's never ever gonna happen.
Those companies should get real for a moment.

[fritzman]

This is where we got: Me buying a copy protection thingy? I'm the customer, you want my money! Pfff.....

[robenestobenz]

Paying to try a demo is nuts. In the context of buying a product, I'm not going to pay for the experience of finding out if it's for me and I want to buy it.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Sascha Franck]

We'll see where these companies will be going in a few years.
Waves asking for an ILok to try out GTR... URS asking for an ILok to try out something as basic as an EQ... Steinberg asking for a Synchrosoft dongle to try out HALion and others.

They shall freaking go bankrupt with such tactics. In a few years from now, hobbyists and beginners will be the studio owners of tomorrow. Hopefully they won't buy into that Digidesign and Waves bullshit anymore. Those companies can all rot in hell.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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