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nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:05 pm

Wave arts Masterverb is on sale now (50 bucks off, now $99.95). Playing with the demo, I'm impressed by how easy it is to understand and the smoothness of the sound. I might just buy it, although I had Ozone on my shopping list and not too crazy about the use of a machine ID to authorize the plug.

I am interested to see how other feel about this plug soundwise, how does it compare to, say, the AA reverb?

randygo · Post by **randygo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:28 pm

I have Trackplug from Wave Arts and it is awesome. I had no problem with the licensing scheme, it was easy to upgrade to a new machine and obtain a new license.

Some people feel the Wave Arts Masterverb reverb is a little grainy, and I can see how it doesn't quite measure up to the quality of reverbs like Acoustic Arts or R66.

However, a new version of Masterverb is due out any day now and they are promising great things. I can't wait to give it a spin.

Randy

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:55 pm

Masterverb is very good, And it uses almost no cpu.
I´m shure you will be happy with it.

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:25 pm

randygo wrote:I have Trackplug from Wave Arts and it is awesome. I had no problem with the licensing scheme, it was easy to upgrade to a new machine and obtain a new license.

At least it doesn't look like it's PACE infected...

randygo wrote: Some people feel the Wave Arts Masterverb reverb is a little grainy, and I can see how it doesn't quite measure up to the quality of reverbs like Acoustic Arts or R66.

I only tested with drums and short tails so far, but I haven't found it to be grainy or metalic sounding, not like Ambience anyway. Will test some more.

randygo wrote: However, a new version of Masterverb is due out any day now and they are promising great things. I can't wait to give it a spin.

Probably the "why" of the reduced price.

olepro wrote: Masterverb is very good, And it uses almost no cpu.
I´m shure you will be happy with it.

I just tested with drums so far, but yes I'm impressed with the logical gui, the sound, the stability and cpu hits. What cpu hits, it doesn't seem to take much cpu at all. It just might become my "go to" 'verb. Just has to do some testing with more material and maybe hear about other experience with it as well.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:35 pm

I demoed Masterverb 4 recently and I was VERY impressed with both the sound quality ... and the extraordinary low CPU hit

I'm waiting for the demo of version 5 to appear... and I'm possibly in the market for the full power suite, as I loved several of the included plugs (the other favourite with me was the multidynamics - awesome!)

kadar · Post by **kadar** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:03 pm

Im surprised to see positive comments on Masterverbs. I used to love it. Its true that it uses very less CPU resources. But it sounds too dull to my ears. Now I use the built in reverb effect that comes with Adobe Audition. If your looking for Dark and Dull go for Masterverb.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:13 pm

HI

So you can't put an eq post reverb?

I like Masterverb - but then I like DUB - which means I am not a purist!

Flipper.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:31 pm

The complete PowerSuite is amazing. The 2 released plugins for the 5th version (FinalPlug and MultiDynamics) are awesome.

I use the MasterVerb 4 as my bread & butter reverb on drums, piano etc. Only on the masterbus I use my hardware-lexicon.

ArtsAcoustics Reverb seems to be a kick better as the MasterVerb 4. But I suppose its also a bit more expensive in CPU and money

At this time I would wait some weeks when the MasterVerb 5 is released.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:58 pm

Is MasterVerb 5 going to be that much better?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:04 pm

A3ntar wrote:Is MasterVerb 5 going to be that much better?

Masterverb 4 is a single algorithm... MV5 is multi-algorithm. I suspect that of all the Power Suite, it will be the one with the biggest improvement

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:12 pm

A3ntar wrote:Is MasterVerb 5 going to be that much better?

"Now includes early reflection controls, multiple late reverb algorithms (including a true plate reverb) and envelope control. Still the best sounding, most efficient software reverb, now with a vast palette of sounds."

Seems not only a overhauled GUI, there is much more (better) also in the new MasterVerb

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:20 pm

HI

I need a plate reverb - I hope V5 delivers: I must go for the up-date deal.

Flipper.

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:55 pm

kadar, were you using it on the master bus as a mastering reverb or as a channel insert when you said it sound dull? I didn't try it as a mastering 'verb as I don't intent to use it that way, the reverb in Ozone will suit me fine for this; I intent to take advantage of the abysmal cpu usage to help me position the different instrument in space in a mix, as a channel insert, for that it sound so far like a marvelous tool and not dull sounding at all.

I like what it does to a drum sub mix, love it on French horns and trumpets, not too sure about trombone and tuba though, there seem to be some graininess that come trough when used on those instruments for some reason but it's very probably user error as I don't know it much yet.

Anybody's got some suggestion for testing material that might highlight the reverb weakness before I make the plunge? Taking into account that the version 4 will be final for me, I won't be upgrading to 5, not this year or the next anyway.

kadar · Post by **kadar** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:55 am

Hi Ezy Ryder, I use it on solo channels I do not use Mastering reverb at all. (By the way do pros really use mastering reverb after using reverb on single channels ?) I was using a slightly older version of Masterverb so the new version might be good. but im really happy with the built in reverb that comes with Audition.

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:50 am

kadar wrote: (By the way do pros really use mastering reverb after using reverb on single channels ?)

An exert from "ozone mastering guide". I don't know what the "pro" do thought...

If you’ve done a good job with reverb on the individual tracks and as a result have a cohesive sense of space, you probably won’t need to add any additional reverb to the final mix. In some cases, however, a little mastering reverb can add an overall finish to the sound. For example:
a recording made “live” in an acoustic space might have troublesome decays or room modes. In this case, a coat of reverb to the final mix can help smooth over any imperfections in the original acoustic space.
A short reverb can add fullness to the mix. In this case, you’re not trying to add more perceptible space to the mix, but instead creating a short reverb at a low level that fills in the sound.

In some cases, you don’t have a good sense of ambience or cohesive space in the mix. Each track or instrument might have its own space, but they don’t seem to gel together in a common space. Mastering reverb can be used as a “varnish” in this case to blend together the tracks. Yes, this is a type of band-aid for glossing over a mix, but sometimes that’s all you can do.

I did find some "problems" with Masterverb finally at extreme settings and material (very long reverb on very bassy or ringy material) some kind of "artefact" (don't know how to describe it) is added to the sound, I'm just wondering now if this really matters to me as probably a convolution type of reverb (SIR?) wouldn't be better suited for extreme like this while for the rest Masterverb extremely low cpu use would make it a very useful tool.

Masterverb, opinion?