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sirocco · Post by **sirocco** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:24 am

According to the creators on the Gearslutz forum, there will be native vst version of the Chandler / Abbey Road EMI compressor plug in. it was showed in pro tools format at EAS but the creator has confirmed it will be in vst!! should be out in january
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=45304

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:13 am

US$400 and iLock doesn't impress me much. Chance of you still using this software in 10 years time? Basically it's still just a digital compressor, no matter how impressive the GUI is. To a certain extent, if you have one good VST compressor with enough parameters, it should be able to model most analog compressors rough enough. Considering most people don't know how to adjust them anyway, I can't see it mattering a whole lot. I'll wait for the SynthEdit version.

sirocco · Post by **sirocco** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:16 am

thats life! even though i kinda agree it sucks

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:13 pm

Hmm...I wonder if the VST version is gonna be $400. This would definately be cool as hell to check out. The Chandler TG2 would be my mic pre of choice, if money were not a factor.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:32 pm

I can't see them selling VST cheaper than RTAS - that would offend all their Protools users, and I don't think they can afford to do that. I would love to have the real Chandler hardware. It just seems like a sell-out - cashing in on a famous brand name. I guess they have to do it, because UA and others have done it. By pricing the plugin so high, it probably maintains the idea in people's mind that Chandler is high end stuff. Product placement.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:40 pm

TDM plugins allready are more expensive than native ones. Why not make RTAS plugins more expensive as well then? I mean, you need to be reminded what it's like using "the" standard industry sequencer...

sidrat · Post by **sidrat** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:00 pm

greendoor wrote:I can't see them selling VST cheaper than RTAS - that would offend all their Protools users, and I don't think they can afford to do that.

you're joking right? since when has digi (et al) -not- taken the opportunity to stick it to their customers?

fwiw, it wouldn't be the first time a native plug was priced lower than it's rtas/tdm counterpart...

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:19 am

greendoor wrote: To a certain extent, if you have one good VST compressor with enough parameters, it should be able to model most analog compressors rough enough. Considering most people don't know how to adjust them anyway, I can't see it mattering a whole lot.

Do you really think that's true? I tend to agree with you on a lot of stuff, but the difference between VST compressors is really dramatic to my ears. I regularly use vst LA2A, 1176 and Fairchild on the UAD, plus the GAC and occasionally something like blockfish or whatever, and they're as different to me as pianoverb is from UAD plate.

Certainly agree that, if my real-life experience is any indication, most people don't know how to set up a compressor, and can't hear compression as a distinct effect at all. But they can certainly hear the difference between good and not-so-good, and getting the right compressor working right is a big part of it. Seems to me, anyhow.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:13 am

True enough. I hear big differences between VST compressors - mostly in their saturation characteristics, or lack of them. Personally - I like to use seperate plugins for saturation and compression. If I want saturation, I like to choose the best one for the job. If I want compression, I usually want fairly transparent compression that doesn't munt the signal too much. Obviously with both hardware and software, sometimes these two seperate effects get blurred into one process. I'm not so sure that's a good idea myself.

I expect the Chandler will have some real colour that should be distinctive.

I guess I should rephrase what I said to something like this:

"To a certain extent, if you have a few good saturation plugins, and one good VST compressor with enough parameters, it should be able to model most analog compressors rough enough. "

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:16 pm

Ah, fair enough. As you can see from my list, most of the compressors I reach for are pretty colored. Could certainly get all the gain reduction you need from a good clean compressor, and get your color elsewhere. I know great engineers who hardly use any compression at all, believe it or not.

People work differently. I still mix in something like the New York style I guess, and so among other things I compress at every level -- a lot of stuff sees a compressor on the way in, at the track level, on a sub-buss, and again on the 2-buss, before mastering. A lot of that compression is just for color -- just tickling the db meter say. It's probably my main tool, even more than eq. So, well, predictably, I like to have options I really dig.

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:33 pm

The Chandler stuff is incredible. I have the TG-2 and it is my first choice pre, beating out my Manley for nearly every job. If they can bottle this sound in a plug, I'll gladly pony up the dough. Won't stop me from buying the hardware TG-1, though...

Chandler / Abbey Road EMI compressor plug in on the way