Studio....to go Linux OS sequencer

[SJ_Digriz]

Only $$$ counts for executives of such companies. Bill Gates itself said he wouldn't have a chance if is he had to deal with today's business practises (false litigation only to drain $ from a competitor, "submarine patents", threatening with denying rebates, etc.).

This is a misquote of a longer article. He was not making claims about his company. Also, the business practices being discussed were taken from IBM, NCR and other high handed market Mafia players of the time.

Linux gives more control over ALL levels of your computer. In a certain aspects it gives things you couldn't do in the windows.

blah blah blah, bullshit

You can not run win from cd

yes you can.....you can also run it from a pen drive, a phone...... and I don't mean windows CE. I mean windows xp..windows 95..windows 98..fuckin windows NT 3.51 would boot and run off a CD if you knew what you were doing, pretty much along the lines of what you need to know to make your own bootable Linux CD.

, you can not run win without graphics.

uhm this is so wrong, however you would only do so for administrative reasons at the OS level........and dude if you think command line is the wave of the future you are living on toooo much chemical input.

You have a complete zero possibilities to tune a kernel yourselves (few examples).

??? You clearly don't know jack shit about Windows. Look, I use Linux and I like a lot about it. And, there are a ton of things I DON'T like about Windows. But this total ignorance of an OS you guys so freely beat on is sickening.

With win you are just a consumer, eventually aplication developer however never a system developer (except one situation by then you are not free). Bassicaly the ms is your daddy. If he says "no" then you had to comply. If not then oh well... welcome one wonderfull thing starting with "l".

again, anti-MS propaganda college student toilet paper nonsense. You haven't said anything at all. With anyone you buy stuff from you are a consumer. By the way, if you haven't looked, people are writing programs that MS doesn't like all the time.

If you have a desire to talk about a "nonsense about Linux's flexibility" then please contact first the MuseResearch, then Korg and eventually you might have an interesting discussion on one of the SoundOnSound's forums too.

that's real funny as Korg is one of the biggest offenders at ditching the customers on products. They produce buggy, crappy hardware that is overpriced and under supported.

[paradiddle]

Can you name things which are practical and cannot be done with a winbox? I don't know much about linux but it always seemed to me like an OS that is in the shadow and will always stay there. You can pretty much do anything you want in windows and more. All the software and cpu power is there.

Linux gives more control over ALL levels of your computer. In a certain aspects it gives things you couldn't do in the windows. You can not run win from cd, you can not run win without graphics. You have a complete zero possibilities to tune a kernel yourselves (few examples).

[Radek]

Only $$$ counts for executives of such companies. Bill Gates itself said he wouldn't have a chance if is he had to deal with today's business practises (false litigation only to drain $ from a competitor, "submarine patents", threatening with denying rebates, etc.).

This is a misquote of a longer article. He was not making claims about his company. Also, the business practices being discussed were taken from IBM, NCR and other high handed market Mafia players of the time.

Then why you don't see the microsoft is leveraging to the same extent its position? It's a "high handed market Mafia player" now, isn't it?

Linux gives more control over ALL levels of your computer. In a certain aspects it gives things you couldn't do in the windows.

blah blah blah, bullshit

I understand then you had been making a changes to windows's code at regular basis.

You can not run win from cd

yes you can.....you can also run it from a

Show then a pc with just a cd-rom drive running any version of windows. No other storage media allowed. And by running I mean able to be running such program like a Photoshop for example. Please.

pen drive, a phone...... and I don't mean windows CE. I mean windows xp..windows 95..windows 98..fcukin windows NT 3.51 would boot and run off a CD if you knew what you were doing, pretty much along the lines of what you need to know to make your own bootable Linux CD.

No other media, only cd-rom drive. Show it.

, you can not run win without graphics.

uhm this is so wrong, however you would only do so for administrative reasons at the OS level........and dude if you think

Yes but what functionality does it have when compared to only text terminal Linux (or other unices)?

command line is the wave of the future you are living on toooo much chemical input.

Again contact the MuseResearch about this point. Contact also numerous producers of varius equipment. You see a graphics are not always needed.

You have a complete zero possibilities to tune a kernel yourselves (few examples).

??? You clearly don't know jack shit about Windows. Look, I use Linux and I like a

Yes, there are some possibilities to tweak but all of them are nothing compared to be able change every line of Linux's kernel code at will.

lot about it. And, there are a ton of things I DON'T like about Windows. But this total ignorance of an OS you guys so freely beat on is sickening.

I had been using dos (from 3.x), windows (from 3.x), w9x series, w2000 and then a "xp". Every competitor at the same time was vastly superior (Gem, Geoworks, Amiga's Workbench, OS/2, NeXT, BeOS) to microsoft os offerings. Call other people ignorant all the time if you wish. It was only 3rd party software what were making win worthwhile. And it's the same today. Why I've to use win? Not because it's such wonderfull oses but because still there are two aplication only avaible on windows. But this is so far from technical merits.

With win you are just a consumer, eventually aplication developer however never a system developer (except one situation by then you are not free). Bassicaly the ms is your daddy. If he says "no" then you had to comply. If not then oh well... welcome one wonderfull thing starting with "l".

again, anti-MS propaganda college student toilet paper nonsense. You haven't said anything at all. With anyone you buy stuff from you are a consumer. By the way, if you haven't looked, people are writing programs that MS doesn't like all the time.

Then please modify windows's code (using leaked source or disassembler), make it public and then ask microsoft for an approval.

If you have a desire to talk about a "nonsense about Linux's flexibility" then please contact first the MuseResearch, then Korg and eventually you might have an interesting discussion on one of the SoundOnSound's forums too.

that's real funny as Korg is one of the biggest offenders at ditching the customers on products. They produce buggy, crappy hardware that is overpriced and under supported.

I would rather like to deal with a "buggy, crappy, overpriced hardware from Korg" than "bugfree, ideal and terribly cheap and as written in the EULA most consumer friendly guarantees in the world from microsoft".

[Radek]

Can you name things which are practical and cannot be done with a winbox? I don't know much about linux but it always seemed to me like an OS that is in the shadow and will always stay there. You can pretty much do anything you want in windows and more. All the software and cpu power is there.

Yes of course you can do (to extent) everything on the windows or linux as you could on any modern os. Difference lies who has the power. Microsoft controls windows platform and you had to follow their decision about the os. With Linux you have the power and you had not to follow anyone. This is THE DIFFERENCE and is a fundamental one.

For a technical Linux's prowess:
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
http://www.picotux.com/
http://www.cray.com/products/xd1/

Three quick examples of inherit flexibility of Linux. I had given two others in this topic elsewhere.

There're more intriguing projects often done with very small resources. This is another trait of Linux - being a tool avaible practicaly for everyone. This brings variety and is a very good thing. This couldn't be achieved the same with just windows and microsoft's policies.

[Lunch Money]

Who the f**k WANTS to play with the kernel. Go ahead and wank away with all that technical BS all you want. I'll be busy making music.

Or more accurately, pretending to make music, while in truth I'm actually just visiting forum.

Point being, nobody gives a f**k about all the things you "can" do with Linux vs. Windows. All most of us HERE want is to run software made by other people.

If you're a software developer, you're making software that will run on the core kernel anyhow. I honestly don't know if hacking/modifying a kernel will affect a software's performance or if it's irrelevant-- but the point remains that you'll be busy working on "Lunch Money's super Awesome Sequencer," not hacking a kernel.

Power, schmower. Until Tracktion (or eXT with workflow enhancements) gets ported to Linux, I'm not even interested. That's the end of it. The rest is just techno-weenie posturing.

(this post was made without any reflection on the developers of BBA, some of whom quite like Linux and would love to be programming Linux stuff. I just do light admin work and small docs.)

[VitaminD]

posturing?? and of a 'techno-weenie' flavor? ...on kvr? impossible..

[Hypertone]

Anytime I've ever messed with Linux I've done something to destroy it within a few days. Everyone talks about how robust and stable it is, but it seems like it needs to be treated with kid gloves to me. Last time I tried it, I couldn't get my sound to work (big suprise!), so I fiddled around with that Jack BS for hours and finally decided to update it with apt-get and synaptic. It downloaded and installed pretty easily and everything seemed ok, until the next time I rebooted, it seems doing something as simple as updating drivers can tank the whole OS, making even "startx" useless. The OS was completely f**ked, and I ended up throwing the CD in the garbage and reformatting the partition with NTFS.

That was the last time I will ever try Linux, I would hate to battle with all the headaches of Linux when I can just make music with no problems whatsoever with XP. If anyone is having trouble with Windows and thinks that Linux is that anwer, I would have to say you are sadly mistaken, because if you aren't capable of making Windows work properly, your are really going to be lost when you start messing with Linux.

[.jon]

@ Bones,

Xara has went open source, with imminent port to Linux in sight. It looks like Xara will merge with Inkscape.

http://www.xaraxtreme.org/

I don't want my linux boot to become another windows boot. I don't need it to run the same VST's - fcuk, I already have a proper, working DAW that will stay as it is for years!

What I want from Linux is a slick, robust, configurable workspace for everyday computing needs - and a testbed for alternative ways to create multimedia art. The most interesting free crossover apps are Linux only.

Whether or not linux lives up to my expectations for streamlined basic use remains to be seen. I'll start easy with Ubuntu.

[Reverse Engineer]

Lol at the people who say "i would" or "i used to" use linux....BUT (enter sedimentary reasoning here.)

The way it works is thus......Linux Distro 2005 is for 2003 hardware (admittedly it used to be 2005 would have been for 2000 hardware, but they are getting a little faster now.) They have 0 drivers for a LOT of popular hardware, you will get it to run, but only after basically rewriting the OS.

Linux use is growing in popularity with people who do exactly that "write emails and surf the net"..they even go to the extent of deciding which hardware to buy just so "it works", so they still know 0 about *nix. All for the sake of being able to type "M$" and "Windoze" in their online rantings.

It's pitiful, but it's always been that way, after all, you still get people saying "OS2" was and is the best ever OS. For what? Best for what exactly? Futilists.

[Hypertone]

Lol, exactly.

I would *but*

The hardware support is not so good

The apps are beta quality at best

I don't like to go for a smoke break everytime I boot up my computer

I would rather use my computer than configure my computer

[Reverse Engineer]

Lol, exactly.

I would *but*

The hardware support is not so good

The apps are beta quality at best

I don't like to go for a smoke break everytime I boot up my computer

I would rather use my computer than configure my computer

That's exactly it. *nix people spend all day playing with their OS whilst other people actually do things WITH and not TO their comps. Have fun guys, it keeps you offline long enough to give us a break from your anal retentiveness anyway.

[peejunk]

Who the fcuk WANTS to play with the kernel. Go ahead and wank away with all that technical BS all you want. I'll be busy making music.

Or more accurately, pretending to make music, while in truth I'm actually just visiting forum.

Point being, nobody gives a fcuk about all the things you "can" do with Linux vs. Windows. All most of us HERE want is to run software made by other people.

The thing is that this kind of flexibility gives you, the user, benefits through third party developers that are willing to cater for the needs of such an insignificant piece of user base that audio users are to Microsoft. As well as there is such a groupation that is insignificant to Apple.

On Linux it's possible for developers to branch-off from most parts of the system (kernel not being the only) in a direction more suitable for what is needed by these user groups.

That's why you find Linux on more and more specialized systems.

What I don't get is why people are so eager to jump all over Linux users when they present these facts. Sure some do tend to get a bit tinfoil-headed, but of you do read up on .Net incentive, DRM etc. you might realize what a nice future they have for you copyright-adoring sheep.

[Distorted_Mastermind]

ok studio to go is a bootable cd that will run on a windows os without needing to actually install any linux distro. i've ran knoppix before which is a live boot distro of linux and had no problems whatsoever. i ran fedora 2 and started running into problems. no support for my audio interface, and massive wifi problems. i wasted quite a bit of time bouncing around linux forums and the people were really nice. i got the wifi going, but the audio interface problem was still there. i didn't know how to program a driver for it and found myself back on windows with a few days wasted time that i could've been making music.
the linux audio does look nice.....however i could get a mac with osx and have the same options and more with better software. it costs much more money, but wastes much less time. fact of the matter after all that i found myself happy with windows and realized it's what i'm used to, and all the programs i use and know well are on it.
my conclusion on linux is i don't have the time, and would rather be making music.

[SJ_Digriz]

Difference lies who has the power. Microsoft controls windows platform and you had to follow their decision about the os. With Linux you have the power and you had not to follow anyone. This is THE DIFFERENCE and is a fundamental one.

The only real difference is access to the kernel code. %99.99999999999999999999999 of computer users do not give a crap about that.

Also, you miss the fact that you ARE at the whim of the power of the driver developers and distro developers of Linux exactly like you claim mosto f us are to MS. The difference is that MS delivers complete packages. The release versions, buggy as people claim them to be, are VASTLY superior in release quality than any Linux distro has ever been. The fact that they have to deliver to bazzillions of people at the same time seems to be lost on you.

There're more intriguing projects often done with very small resources. This is another trait of Linux - being a tool avaible practicaly for everyone. This brings variety and is a very good thing. This couldn't be achieved the same with just windows and microsoft's policies.

This is not example of anything. There are literally hundreds of thousands of mom/pop applications being written on windows every day. The difference is a large quantity of them will be usable by millions of people instead of 10.

[unic]

The release versions, buggy as people claim them to be, are VASTLY superior in release quality than any Linux distro has ever been.

why are then distros labeled "enterprise linux" in existance at all? certified for oracle, maya, xsi etc ...

and why disney and practically all major houses run linux for production.

makes me wonder...

www.beowulf.org - anybody up to make a clustered vst powerhouse?