KVR Audio

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:10 pm

Ildon wrote: The problems I experienced were audio-related. I'd get latency when I'd record, and I found out it was because of crap drivers for the Proteus. Your crackling problems are probably caused by your ASIO buffer latency being set too low. I have mine set to 50ms and it works great.

50ms is extremely high! Thats what I used to get in Cakewalk with my old SB Live, WITHOUT ASIO!

Pretty happy I didn't buy a 0404 now I guess...

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:18 pm

floyd wrote:
Ildon wrote: The problems I experienced were audio-related. I'd get latency when I'd record, and I found out it was because of crap drivers for the Proteus. Your crackling problems are probably caused by your ASIO buffer latency being set too low. I have mine set to 50ms and it works great.
50ms is extremely high! Thats what I used to get in Cakewalk with my old SB Live, WITHOUT ASIO!

Pretty happy I didn't buy a 0404 now I guess...

50ms is fine, hehe. There's a very small delay, but it's barely noticeable.

damonv · Post by **damonv** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:14 pm

Ildon thanks for the reply.

50 ms is very high. I have an Echo Midi Mia and that works perfectly at 11 ms. If that's the case it may be going back to the dealer!

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:12 pm

damonv wrote:Ildon thanks for the reply.

50 ms is very high. I have an Echo Midi Mia and that works perfectly at 11 ms. If that's the case it may be going back to the dealer!

There's a misunderstanding here. If you're using hardware or other software synths, the Emu cards work perfectly at 3-10ms. I have my ASIO set to 50ms just for the Proteus X. Certain VSTi's like the MOTU Symphonic Instrument and the Proteus X (only two I've encountered like this so far) require a higher ASIO setting. It's not the card, it's the software.

tomg · Post by **tomg** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:02 pm

Ildon wrote:
damonv wrote:Ildon thanks for the reply.

50 ms is very high. I have an Echo Midi Mia and that works perfectly at 11 ms. If that's the case it may be going back to the dealer!
There's a misunderstanding here. If you're using hardware or other software synths, the Emu cards work perfectly at 3-10ms. I have my ASIO set to 50ms just for the Proteus X. Certain VSTi's like the MOTU Symphonic Instrument and the Proteus X (only two I've encountered like this so far) require a higher ASIO setting. It's not the card, it's the software.

Speaking of software I finally sent William $10 for Wusikstation. Extream Sample Converter does a very good conversion from e-mu to WS. Pretty much everything else to WS too.

I've got no idea when or where you might be able to buy it again. I've emailed a few times but nothing back so far. The site has been frozen in maintaince mode for a long time..

http://www.extranslator.com/en/news.htm

But back to WS it uses a lot less CPU and might be a way to go if you want to use e-mu banks on a laptop. It zippers when it loads samples but the price is right and CPU is low.

Regards

tomg · Post by **tomg** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:32 pm

"Extream Sample Converter does a very good conversion from e-mu to WS. Pretty much everything else to WS too."

Just to be clear you will have to do some editing, it's not totally magic

Regards

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:42 pm

Emu Proteus X samples use a different format from other Emu samples.

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:49 pm

yep, they are encrypted, right?

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:29 am

I believe so.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:56 am

I think Emu switched from soundfonts to the ProteusX ans EmulatorX because everyone was pirating their soundfonts. They will no doubt do whatever they can to protect their sounds now.

I was going to buy their Old World Instruments soundfont back for $40 and then they shut down the soundfont website. Now I would have to buy hardware and the sounds
and put up with all the trouble that seems to go along with that hardware. And pay $150-200 for it.

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:35 am

PT wrote:I think Emu switched from soundfonts to the ProteusX ans EmulatorX because everyone was pirating their soundfonts. They will no doubt do whatever they can to protect their sounds now.

I was going to buy their Old World Instruments soundfont back for $40 and then they shut down the soundfont website. Now I would have to buy hardware and the sounds
and put up with all the trouble that seems to go along with that hardware. And pay $150-200 for it.

Yeah! I was going to buy their orchestral soundfonts a while back and found out they shut it all down. What a pain in the ass!

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:10 am

Ildon wrote:
PT wrote:I think Emu switched from soundfonts to the ProteusX ans EmulatorX because everyone was pirating their soundfonts. They will no doubt do whatever they can to protect their sounds now.

I was going to buy their Old World Instruments soundfont back for $40 and then they shut down the soundfont website. Now I would have to buy hardware and the sounds
and put up with all the trouble that seems to go along with that hardware. And pay $150-200 for it.
Yeah! I was going to buy their orchestral soundfonts a while back and found out they shut it all down. What a pain in the ass!

And considering that I am using a laptop and have no intention of spending $600 on a breakout box soundcard I guess it's no Emu for me. Too bad as I really wanted that Old World Instrument soundbank.

damonv · Post by **damonv** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:58 am

I installed the new drivers and it seems to have solved the crackle problem. However using the effects as VST's gives a horrible distortion and changing the buffer only seems to "granulate" the sound faster or slower?

autloc · Post by **autloc** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:08 am

Am I the only one who loves "z-plane" filters?

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:15 am

autloc wrote:Am I the only one who loves "z-plane" filters?

No!

I'd go as far as to say the Proteus X is the most powerful synth on the market today. I mean synth, too, not sampler. You can't compare the Proteus X to the Emulator X, for example, because they're built for different things. I think it's funny how the Proteus X outperforms its hardware competitors (Yamaha Motif ES, Roland Fantom, Korg Triton) so easily. From its Z-Plane filters to its ability to load an infinite number of samples onto one sound (the above mentioned synths only allow FOUR! HAH! Take THAT!)

Edit: I'm probably gonna take a lot of heat for saying that, but I think it's true. Sonically the Proteus X doesn't sound as good as the newer synths, but with all that you can do to one sound, you can easily make sounds that rival those new synths.

The Proteus X works now!