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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:57 pm

Lunatique wrote: Well, if that's the case, then that's simply my personal definition. I wouldn't have the balls to call myself a "professional composer" until I've acquired the ability to compose full orchestral works, along with many other styles of music--from jazz to ethnic, to rock to pop to reggae to electronic to blues to metal to industrial to goth..etc that commercial composers must be well-versed in in order to secure gigs. If you listen to any successful and working commercial composer's demo reel, it usually displays the ability to compose in any style or any level of sophistication. I'm not close to being that good yet, that's why I wouldn't have the balls to call myself a professional composer.

Exactly; you're using 'composer' within a specific context. A producer of bespoke music on demand, more or less.

The dictionary definition is somewhat less context-specific. A composer is 'merely' someone who creates or produces music. Being a 'professional' at that need not have anything to do with your more restricted definition.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:09 pm

FL is pretty all in one, if you ask me. Of course, the built in generators and samples aren't *that* great (though Sytrus and soon DirectWave will change that), but when you pick up libraries like Symphony of Voices, RA, QLSO Gold, etc.. it's definitely all you need.

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:35 pm

original flipper wrote:It's a funny old world - I sold Orion a while back but agree that it was just about the most direct route to getting musical ideas down - that I have experienced.

we are all different... Orion's demo is one of the only host (with Tracktion) i've tested that left me completely dry, without a bar of music made...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:43 pm

Wopelka wrote: we are all different... Orion's demo is one of the only host (with Tracktion) i've tested that left me completely dry, without a bar of music made...

Orion sux the holy root.

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:45 pm

CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:57 pm

Lunatique wrote: Out of the 4 I tried, Storm Studio was the worst one--like a bad joke. It was just...clunky, and the quality of the included instruments were just horrible--cannot compete with the competitions at all. The UI was also ugly and badly designed--like it was designed 10 years ago or something. And that wizard thing which helps you through the process of making various styles of music--nothing turns me off faster than the assumption that the customer is a total musical idiot newbie that can't even compose a piece of music without hand-holding. Almost everything about the product screamed of "For noobs only!" Blech....

Storm requires: Java. Not much more needs to be said...

opia · Post by **opia** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:09 am

where's my tenner?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:50 am

CC4 wrote:
Storm requires: Java. Not much more needs to be said...

er... - what's your point, dude?

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:13 am

I left my hardware when I found Orion. It was so awesome! I bought it when it was something like $29. It is super quick to come up with stuff and to me the piano roll is amazing. I left it, because at the time it was a serious pain to use multi channel instruments and it didn't have audio recording. no count in and stuff like that, plus I had my stint with it not opening songs and such, but that has since been taken care of.

i wanted that in my main host.

For creating a techno/IBM? or electronic track there is in my mind nothing better than Orion.

That is my humble opinion. The synths are really good too, but I admint the presets might not be the greatest, but the synths are top notch.

No I pretty much use ableton LIVE. It has a feature that I suggested years ago that was pretty much laughed off the Orion forums, but I love it!

I totally respect Krim and Bones, cuz they get shit done!

dw

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:27 am

ceenda wrote:Personally, I think people are way too worried about what "other people are using".

By and large that is very true but you can often gain a tasty tid-bit here and there by seeing how others work. e.g. I was bored to tears last weekend, waiting for the slackers to clean my hotel room in Mumbai, so I went down to the lobby and read CM92 cover to cover. I got a really cool tips from some moron who uses HP and LP filters to bring parts in and out, gradually closing/opening the cutoff, instead of just fading the volume. I thought that was a brilliant idea so I am going to try it in a coupel of things and see how well it works.
Those kinds of generic tips are great but most of us will probably find it much easier to do those things in whatever host we are used to working in, rather than deciding that this particuloar moron is some kind of genius and therefore whatever tools he uses must be the best so I have to find out what they are and use them too. Know what I mean?

RWA · Post by **RWA** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:31 am

Oh f**k it!

I thought this was about a Reason, Orion, FL, Storm Studio group buy!

cgnat · Post by **cgnat** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:44 am

RWA wrote:Oh fcuk it!

I thought this was about a Reason, Orion, FL, Storm Studio group buy!

BASSDRIVE · Post by **BASSDRIVE** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:48 am

Arturia Storm really sucks, I'll give you that. All the others are fine.

I would rather use MTV music Generator than Storm.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:54 am

BONES wrote:
lion_cub wrote:I found Orion's instruments to be ordinary too.
Are we talking instruments here or presets? And are we talking about the demo or the full version with 600mb of sounds? Just curious how your far your head is up your arse.

Come on BONES! Can't a guy give a review and share his honest opinion? I haven't seen him be anything but polite and give opinions.

--Sean

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:02 am

Lunatique wrote:Why are you guys taking things personally? What does it matter if others have different preferences? It's all personal opinion, and why should it matter to you if film score composers and symphonic music composers don't use softstudios as their main host sequencer? Does that negate the virtues of softstudios? No. Like I said, it's horses for courses. All these things are just tools--it's the talent of the music-maker that matters. I'm pretty sure if you pointed a gun to Bone's head and made him not use Orion Platinum, he could still turn out the same music using another software, and I'm pretty sure if you pointed a gun to James Newton Howard's head and made him use one of the softstudios as his host sequencer, he'd still hand you a great film score.

And as far as knowing pro composers go, there are quite a few that I talk to that composes scores for film, television, video games..etc. Some of them hang out at Northern Sound Source or V.I. Control, so if you want to confirm the fact that they don't use softstudios as their main host sequencer, then go to those forums and ask them. And even if you do find one that uses a softstudio as the main host sequencer, what does that matter? Does it really make any difference to you or me?

You simply have to accept the fact that for different styles of music, different setups and tools are preferred. Composers who work with large orchestral sample libraries that cost several thousand dollars and run them on multiple computers WILL have different needs compared to an electronic musician who only needs to run VST synths in a host that doesn't have scoring/notation features, and isn't designed to handle an entire orchestra's worth of streaming samples off of multiple hard drives and computers. These are just different segments of the market, and they are different tools aimed at different types of musicians. Why is that so hard to accept, and why must it turn into some kind of insult if I simply point it out?

I, at no point in this thread, said that these softstudios are bad or that I don't like them (except for Storm Studio, but then again, they're probably aiming at a different segment of the market). I simply said I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having used them in the past, and that some of them have cool features. The only somewhat negative thing I said was that Orion's presets didn't inspire me the way other VST's like Absynth, z3ta+ (and you can add to that list Tera, Legacy Cell, Rhino, Tassman..etc)did. And I did mention that for the price, the softstudios are great bangs for the buck and one can make very high quality music in them. SO just WHERE in this thread did I start pissing you guys off?

Try not to let everyone get to you. It's kinda like the Mac-Windows thing... Some people are really fanatics about their software of choice and feel a need to defend it--even when honest opinions are given. Some people have a hard time seeing past the fact that opinions are just that--opinions. I personally find it useful to see comparisons of the different hosts out there, and I liked your mini-review. Just ignore the fanboys that will put you down for not having the same opinion that you have.

--Sean

BTW, for those who are concerned, I too am a fanboy--of FLStudio and Sonar. There's nothing wrong with that either--it's just my opinion.

Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum