Miroslav Philharmonik and key switches/articulations

[michael_maberly]

I’m told that IK’s Miroslav Philharmonik does not have key switching. What techniques are available in it to produce different articulations within one phrase? For example, how could one create a solo violin phrase that incorporates staccato, legato, crescendi and varying amounts and speeds of vibrato?

Any and all ideas would be really appreciated!

Thanks!

[Squids]

I’m told that IK’s Miroslav Philharmonik does not have key switching. What techniques are available in it to produce different articulations within one phrase? For example, how could one create a solo violin phrase that incorporates staccato, legato, crescendi and varying amounts and speeds of vibrato?

Any and all ideas would be really appreciated!

Thanks!

There are several ways of doing it. While it doesn't include key switching (yet anyway), it does have a wide variety of different articulations and performance variation possibilities. I just completed a video that will soon be downloadable from www.philharmonik.com I recommend checking that out as it is full of tips and tricks. There are also some other threads in this forum that have some as well. Dig in!

But, there are dynamic switching combi patches as well as "Multi" patches where each articulation is on a different midi channel for doing it with sequencing (as opposed to live). However, there is a little trick we put in as a secret for someone who really wanted to do live switching in a way that wasn't intentionally designed but happens to work... the solo and mute buttons receive midi control so we built-in some preassignments of midi CCs to the 8 part articulation MUL patches. The CCs are 71-74 and 91-94 which control the mute/solo of the individual parts. If you have a controller with buttons you can assign to those CCs then... have fun! It is a good work around until it has key switching which I imagine will be somewhere down the line.

There are many other patches with articulations switching with the modwheel and other performance oriented programming. There are also a lot of things you cannot do with any other orchestral product such as what Stretch does but that is detailed with audio examples in our video.

[michael_maberly]

. . . it does have a wide variety of different articulations and performance variation possibilities. I just completed a video that will soon be downloadable from www.philharmonik.com I recommend checking that out as it is full of tips and tricks. There are also some other threads in this forum that have some as well.

Thanks, Squids!
I'm on a veryslow dial-up (I live in a rural area), and wonder if there'd be any way to download just the script from your video?

But, there are dynamic switching combi patches as well as "Multi" patches where each articulation is on a different midi channel for doing it with sequencing (as opposed to live). . .
There are many other patches with articulations switching with the modwheel and other performance oriented programming.

Would there be a site where I can view an expanded explanation of how to use these features? (I'm only doing sequencing -- no live performance.) I've found a few references to this topic in "Tips and Tricks", but would welcome more.

Thanks again!






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[Squids]

Well, a good site would be this one! In this forum there are a bunch of discussions about Miroslav Philharmonik. So dig in! Also, Kim (esoundz) did a thread about tips for Miroslav and I went into more detail about the whole control switching trick. Do you have Miroslav Philharmonik yet? Because if not then those tips and tricks will probably not be as useful to you unless you did.

As for the video, the script doesn't do what the video will do as far as showing you the sounds in action which I assume is something you'd want to hear. Slow dial up? That's a bummer. Well, there may be an inclusion of that video in an IK demo at some point on CD.

[sghoughton]

I've been trying to get keyswitch from yellow tools for the past month or so - keep getting a bad link and i've emailed them about it so i'm assuming they know.

I think this will do what you're looking for but since i cant get it, i cant know for sure.

steve

[michael_maberly]

Do you have Miroslav Philharmonik yet? Because if not then those tips and tricks will probably not be as useful to you unless you did.

No - the whole point of my research is to learn enough about it to be able to make a wise choice. However, I understand I'd be able to run through the tips - rather than just imagine them - if I had the actual product.

As for the video, the script doesn't do what the video will do as far as showing you the sounds in action which I assume is something you'd want to hear.

All I'd really like to see/read are the techniques, and exactly what the techniques make possible. So, if there is a script, it might be helpful enough!

Thanks, Squids.

[michael_maberly]

I've been trying to get keyswitch from yellow tools for the past month or so - keep getting a bad link and i've emailed them about it so i'm assuming they know.

I think this will do what you're looking for but since i cant get it, i cant know for sure.

steve

Wow! Steve, this looks really promising -- I hadn't heard of it before! Thank-you for pointing it out to me. (Now we can both get bad links there

Squids, do you know of Yellow Tools' Keyswitch, whether it will work with MP, and whether it will actually enable instant key switching between different samples (in the same track, I assume)?

I should also add: would such an app also add significantly more load to the CPU?

[telebunke]

As for the video, the script doesn't do what the video will do as far as showing you the sounds in action which I assume is something you'd want to hear.

All I'd really like to see/read are the techniques, and exactly what the techniques make possible. So, if there is a script, it might be helpful enough!

Thanks, Squids.

Well, you could go to an internet cafe for that purpose. They usually got a speed high enough to stream videos.

tele

[Yossarian]

Wow! Steve, this looks really promising -- I hadn't heard of it before! Thank-you for pointing it out to me. (Now we can both get bad links there

Squids, do you know of Yellow Tools' Keyswitch, whether it will work with MP, and whether it will actually enable instant key switching between different samples (in the same track, I assume)?

I should also add: would such an app also add significantly more load to the CPU?

I've had KeySwitch for a while (guess I got lucky with the download) and it works fine with Miroslav (and other multi-timbral VSTi:s). No noticeable increase in CPU load.

You will need something like MidiYoke to get the Midi data through KeySwitch and into your host.

/Yoss

[Caleb]

What sequencer/host will you be using with Miro, michael.

Some sequencers allow you to change midi channels by note or clip which will make it easier to sequence multiple articulations in a single track.

Alternatively you can make of split and drag clip functionality to have what was originally one track quite quickly become several tracks - and if you have any kind of group/folder functionality you can package them all up to take up less space.

To tell you the truth, I'm wondering these days whether keyswitching is actually that much more desirable for sequencing. I can definitely see the value for live playing however.

Caleb

[Kim Lajoie]

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=

Caleb - you beat me to the punch! I was about to do an article about using MIDI channel assignments for individual notes to change articulations!

-Kim.

[Caleb]

Some of your tips are excellent by the way Kim.
I just read your legato advice and I'll try it out when I get the chance.

Legato is my nemesis!

Caleb

[Kim Lajoie]

Thanks.

My legato technique brings best results when playing the part expressively on a keyboard isntrument. It takes a bit of practice, though - especially if you are used to note velocity controlling note volume (I studied piano for eleven years, so I had a little bit of unlearning to do!). It's not too bad though - you can get good results pretty quickly.

-Kim.

[Rellik]

To tell you the truth, I'm wondering these days whether keyswitching is actually that much more desirable for sequencing. I can definitely see the value for live playing however.

Personally, I find it a huge hassle to have to switch between separate MIDI tracks. It eats up so much time just opening and closing the piano rolls as you experiment with different articulations for any given note, and then once you've got each note in the right articulation, everything is disjointed and you can't make sense of what you've just written.

The "separate MIDI channels on one MIDI track" functionality that eXT and apparently Overture 4 have is great for solving this problem, though - it's just as good or better than key-switching if implemented in a quick-to-use and easy-to-decipher manner. If only most other hosts had it (maybe I should just switch to eXT once and for all... I just find the mixing difficult to come to grips with and get a precise balance)

[dougsyo]

I have the YT keyswitch. Not sure whether I can actually distribute it or not (I'll have to check their site) but if it can be done, I have it - I downloaded it about three months ago.

Doug