Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum

[arke]

You know, I think this topic has had the longest posts in KVR history

[ceenda]

Which reduces the chances of any of them actually being read.

[zircon]

Bones; yes, I do use plugins. If you want to be narrow-minded and say "we're only talking about it in the contxt of soft-studios, eg. no outside instruments" then just about EVERYTHING is useless for professional applications where you need access to high-end orchestral samples. See where I'm going with this? I don't use FL for the samples or the generators, though the FL sampler, FL slicer, FL soundfont player and the FL effects are wonderful. I use it because it has a great workflow. No, I do not name any patterns or instruments. It is no problem for me, and I've written hundreds of songs using this method.

[imekon]

I don't use FL for the samples or the generators, though the FL sampler, FL slicer, FL soundfont player and the FL effects are wonderful. I use it because it has a great workflow. No, I do not name any patterns or instruments. It is no problem for me, and I've written hundreds of songs using this method.

FL soundfont player I found to be less than wonderful. When I reported a bug against it, I found there was no support, as the company that wrote it had gone.

The effects are ok but could do with a better and bigger UI. Twiddling those tiny knobs needs a magnifying glass!

As for FL studio's workflow, I don't think it's that great - the whole UI seems fragmented. You can't see events unless you go edit them - there's no indication they are even there (Live puts a red dot on anything with events). Automation clips are better, but disconnected from what they apply to - not to mention how small they are to edit, unless you zoom right up.

Having said that, I find the MIDI editing to be excellent, stability 100% and the generators adequate. The sample songs that come with FL Studio are a pretty good sample.

I tried Orion and liked its workflow but hated the non-closable windows that cluttered up the lower half of the main window. Also, Orion crashed quite a lot for me.

[JayBird]

I have used FL studio for a long time. Nothing on the market compares to its value, period. The capabilities it brings to the table, coupled with the fact that upgrades cost nothing, is just amazing to me.
What's more amazing though is these arrogant peckerheads writing these pointless threads about how your host is better or your thousand dollar sample library is better utilized by overpriced software
cause you know, professional composers would never use a softstudio blah blah blah.... It seems more like egotestical farts would never admit to getting a shitty deal so they defend thier investment by putting down on better ones. So whatever, my dicks bigger than yours, don't cry about it and come chasing me with scissors

[mooter]

The End

[origami]

There's something I just don't undertand.
Whens omeone says that he loves the workflow of a program, how can anyone say as reason against it that the workflow is bad. If it's great for someone, it's great no matter what the other says about it!

I mean, it's ok you think another program has a better workflow, but since workflow is something 100% personal, you can't use that as a reason against that program. What works for someone doesn't necessarily work for another.

[vurt]

There's something I just don't undertand.
Whens omeone says that he loves the workflow of a program, how can anyone say as reason against it that the workflow is bad. If it's great for someone, it's great no matter what the other says about it!

host wars wouldnt be fun to watch if they were logical

[origami]

you're right, i guess.

[diverdee]

[BONES]

Why did they ban you? Because you were so open about the workflow?

Pretty much, I was banned for being openly critical on their forums and here. Eventually, after more public haranguing, I got my money back.

Something I should have noted previously is that I've started to find a nice combination of hosts.

How can that be less than completely insane? I want to get things done. What you describe is like having one car to drive on the freeway, where you park it and get in your other car to drive the rest of the way to the office every day.

How? All I saw was per-pattern events which had to play at the same time as some notes and were restricted to the generator, and the usual per-song event list. Sure, you can copy and paste, but I find it easier to move around a few bars than copy and paste the actual data. Please enlighten me...

Cut/copy/paste works plenty good. I doubt I would use automation clips if they were there, as it seems to make more work for simple things.

That's for the simple reason that you _can't_ close anything because otherwise it'd be deleted .

I really don't get how people have such a huge hang-up with something that works the same way in ORION as it does in almost every other piece of software. I have never had any problem with that at all.

Looking at the demo songs and making a few myself I find it quite messy to have everything stacked up at the bottom and having to find it again with the short names that you've got available there - so usually I'd just sequentially open everything until I found what I want and close the rest.

I think the demo songs are presented very, very poorly. Only an idiot would work like that. I even went to the trouble of re-organising all of them once but Rich never bothered with them.
But youcan open any generator or effect by clicking on it's label [or the Send" label] in the mixer. My minimised windows are all hidden by the Playlist so I'm not even aware of their existence.

....? Either I missed some sort of fundamental feature of Orion or you only use 2 generators and maybe 2 effects in your songs. The mixer filled up quickly, which wasn't helped by the fact that each channel was soo damn wide. Of course, selecting the "slim mixer" skin helped. But not much. I only have a 1024x768 laptop display. From a different comment of yours, I think you have quite a bit more

I used to work on a 1024x768 screen and never had any problems. Now I have considerably more space, 1680x1050 on my workstation and 1920x1200 on my laptop, it is even easier as I can leave the Master Section open all the time.
And the fundamental feature you are missing is that ORION is far more skinnable than FL. My narrowest mixer Strips were 30 pixels or so, but my newest skin is about 40 so that I can have longer labels.

TS404 != 3xOsc. The TS404 is what the Roland TB-404 or something would have been, most likely.

TS404 was Rich's first softsynth. It was developed in to Wasp and then WaspXT

The TB-303 didn't have good sound quality either but that's exactly what made it so popular

What made it popular is the fact that people are morons - it is easily the worst sounding synth I have ever owned.

Also, how do you layer stuff together so that its controlled by the same patterns and piano roll? I couldn't figure it out (was trying to layer two Wasp XTs somehow, which is a great plug, by the way).

From the "OPT" button on an instrument's Toolbar, choose "Receive MIDI input from..." Alternatively, it is a simple process to coppy all patterns from one instrument to the next in a single operation.

Zipping is a workaround for ... what?

It was introduced in v3 after everyone complained that, with even a modest number of channels, they easily started to scroll off the screen. Its a big problem when every single-hit sound takes up a full channel.

you'll find them all using some sort of toy like the Peak Controller or Formula Controller or Fruity Scratcher or any of those that is just a "toy" in your eyes.

Whilst the pro's are using proper sidechaining which has an infintely better effect.
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Try it and see. Sidechaining is a much more dynamic process that gives a way better effect than simply tieing values.

...and what makes them not qualify as "pro"? These are people that have been doing this stuff for a living for years.

Actually, Gol is a games programmer who has no musical background at all.

Agreed, that's nice, although I prefer the flexibility of a parametric EQ.

Ummm... what do you think that is in ORION's Mixer?

If I were looking to choose a host again, I could do worse than asking members here to vote for their favorite - the CM review may only be one person's opinion, but if you could get hundreds to vote, you're going to get some very useful information.

Oh, wait a minute, it's already done

http://www.kvraudio.com/new_year_survey ... esults.php

No, all you are going to get is which host most people do use. Does the fact that most people drive a Toyota Corolla automatically make it the best car in it's class? Not even close.

I'm just curious that you've made a bunch of VSTi plugins, but you reckon you don't need them in Orion?

I started making 'em as a means of offerring added value to our site, in the hope of attacting more visitors. I use them in most songs but nowhere near as much as I use ORION's generators.

I have used FL studio for a long time. Nothing on the market compares to its value, period. The capabilities it brings to the table, coupled with the fact that upgrades cost nothing, is just amazing to me.

Really? How much did the addition of audio recording cost? If I recall, it was about the same as it did for ORION users which means that we have it even better than you because we get more updates for free.

I tried Orion and liked its workflow but hated the non-closable windows that cluttered up the lower half of the main window. Also, Orion crashed quite a lot for me.

Again with this stupid obsession. How thick can people be?
There, I think that just about covers it for now.

[imekon]

That's for the simple reason that you _can't_ close anything because otherwise it'd be deleted .

I really don't get how people have such a huge hang-up with something that works the same way in ORION as it does in almost every other piece of software. I have never had any problem with that at all.

It's not a huge hangup. I just don't like it. To me, it feels wrong.

I tried Orion and liked its workflow but hated the non-closable windows that cluttered up the lower half of the main window. Also, Orion crashed quite a lot for me.

Again with this stupid obsession. How thick can people be?
There, I think that just about covers it for now.

You consider me "thick" because I dislike how Orion works and that it crashes? I guess that ends this conversation for me. I hate talking to a brick wall.

[diverdee]

Some people seem to find it hard to accept that we all have different likes/dislikes & look for different things in hosts/software - or even that some of us may like to work with multiple hosts for whatever reason.
Perhaps these are the same kind of people who would find it hard to understand that everyone in the world doesn't like exactly the same food as them, or the same television programs etc.
I'm sure most of us have met someone like this in a pub/club at sometime, they attempt to overbear you with their opinions until you either have to leave or plant them, as they accept no compromise, there is no middle ground.

[Wopelka]

ORION vs FL
the war strikes back

it's been a long time...

[gruberman]

Some people seem to find it hard to accept that we all have different likes/dislikes & look for different things in hosts/software - or even that some of us may like to work with multiple hosts for whatever reason.
Perhaps these are the same kind of people who would find it hard to understand that everyone in the world doesn't like exactly the same food as them, or the same television programs etc.
I'm sure most of us have met someone like this in a pub/club at sometime, they attempt to overbear you with their opinions until you either have to leave or plant them, as they accept no compromise, there is no middle ground.

You are not referring to BONER are you?