ChordSpace. Something from nuffink.

[Compyfox]

All of the hexagons are some kind of four note chord.

ø = Minor 7th flat 5 or half diminished.
- = Minor 7th
7 = Dominant 7th
Δ = Major 7th
+ = Augmented 7th
6 = Sixth

Hm... this clears a bit more now. MUCH MUCH more. And the 9, 11 and 13 means: add9th, add11th, add13th, right?

If you want simple triads (at the moment) you'll need to mute the the 7th.

How could I do that? With the MIDI velocity slider on the GUI? (I don't have the plug, but that seems to be the logical step) Will the simple triads be included in an upgrade too?

The structure follows an, essentially, major form with chords from the, various, parallel minor keys borrowed by modal interchange.

That means? I can only do major chords with it? Oh wait... Δ = Major, - = Minor. So that means if I use the "I" or "i" I have always the root chord and decide if I use the major (triangle) or minor (minus) by myself. And how can I do inversions? Or is that not possible yet?


2 other questions:
1) A MIDI implementation? A couple of pages earlier there was something about a recommendation to trigger the plugin by MIDI with a lower key for the core note, and the upper keys for the roman number sections. Is that already implemented? Just curious cause it'd make things a tad more faster and more "fluent sounding". heh.

2) Is it still possible to test this plugin? Can I write you a PM or something like that? I'd really like take a look at it. I'm one of those learners who apreciate the visual way too (though I'd prefer a vid tutorial on harmony theory, but that's an other thing.).


So far this tool has really great potential and I'd even throw out a couple of bucks just for this thing. Finally something that could raise the quality of my songs even with my limited theory knowledge. Thanks for the efforts you did for us.

[tERMoBLUe]

mmhm, i can't see a try-button...but looks interesting...cya

tro

[nuffink]

All of the hexagons are some kind of four note chord.

ø = Minor 7th flat 5 or half diminished.
- = Minor 7th
7 = Dominant 7th
Δ = Major 7th
+ = Augmented 7th
6 = Sixth

Hm... this clears a bit more now. MUCH MUCH more. And the 9, 11 and 13 means: add9th, add11th, add13th, right?

Yes it plays the (so called) tension on top of the chord, and the blank gaps between the tensions will play the tension either side. So the blank between, say, a 9th and the 13th will play them both.

If you want simple triads (at the moment) you'll need to mute the the 7th.

How could I do that? With the MIDI velocity slider on the GUI? (I don't have the plug, but that seems to be the logical step) Will the simple triads be included in an upgrade too?

There's a mute button. Future versions will have triads available in a more elegant manner.

The structure follows an, essentially, major form with chords from the, various, parallel minor keys borrowed by modal interchange.

That means? I can only do major chords with it? Oh wait... Δ = Major, - = Minor. So that means if I use the "I" or "i" I have always the root chord and decide if I use the major (triangle) or minor (minus) by myself. And how can I do inversions? Or is that not possible yet?

It means that jazz theory tends to see the strict Major/Minor key differentiation as a bit dubious. There are a bunch of chords available and which you chose defines the context.
Sorry, no inversions in this version.

2 other questions:
1) A MIDI implementation? A couple of pages earlier there was something about a recommendation to trigger the plugin by MIDI with a lower key for the core note, and the upper keys for the roman number sections. Is that already implemented? Just curious cause it'd make things a tad more faster and more "fluent sounding". heh.

There's a midi implementation in the latest version.

So far this tool has really great potential and I'd even throw out a couple of bucks just for this thing. Finally something that could raise the quality of my songs even with my limited theory knowledge. Thanks for the efforts you did for us.

How many bucks?

[Compyfox]

How many bucks? Hm... depends on you. But 10-20 would be a very fair deal... I guess. Unless you really push it out for free, which would be even better.

But that's really a thing up to you.

It means that jazz theory tends to see the strict Major/Minor key differentiation as a bit dubious. There are a bunch of chords available and which you chose defines the context.

But all in all, the triangle and minus on roman I and/or roman i define the core notes? hm...

Sorry, no inversions in this version.

No problem. If you implement "simple triads" later... hell this tool evolves into a pure monster.

There's a midi implementation in the latest version.

In this case a manual (PDF?) would really help, cause there's nothing in the ZIP. Just my opinion.

[nuffink]

It means that jazz theory tends to see the strict Major/Minor key differentiation as a bit dubious. There are a bunch of chords available and which you chose defines the context.

But all in all, the triangle and minus on roman I and/or roman i define the core notes? hm...

I'm not sure what you mean by core notes, but here's how the progression element works.

First stick it in C.

From I clockwise, the diatonic chords are...
CΔ,FΔ,Bø,E-,A-,D-,G7 and back to CΔ

All of the other chords are substitutes of some kind.

[Compyfox]

Maybe I should have written "root" note. So in this case it'd mean that on roman "I" (the roman numbers don't change from upper to lowercase if I change the root note, cause - like you said - it's a major scale) the CΔ = major, and C- = minor. The root chord of the root note. It's simple - at least... i guess.


Can you please go a bit in depth about the dropdown list on the right and controlling the plugin by which keyswitches? Like I said... there's no manual available so yeah.

[Bacizone]

Is this ChordSpace work well within PC Logic Platinum 5.5.1?

If yes, how to set it up?

[Sascha Franck]

Is this ChordSpace work well within PC Logic Platinum 5.5.1?

If yes, how to set it up?

You need to run it in Energy XT if you want some success at all (because plugins putting out MIDI data aren't supported in Logic).

[k2500x]

This is a fine program, and I commend the person that wrote it.
One question though: Why does all chord theory always seem to use the major scale as it's base? As a songwriter, 95% of my stuff always falls in a minor key. So when I go to learn more about theory and ear training I always seem to be learning stuff that I don't actually use when I sit down to write a song.
I wish I could find something like this that uses the natural minor scale as it's base.

[nuffink]

This is a fine program, and I commend the person that wrote it.
One question though: Why does all chord theory always seem to use the major scale as it's base? As a songwriter, 95% of my stuff always falls in a minor key. So when I go to learn more about theory and ear training I always seem to be learning stuff that I don't actually use when I sit down to write a song.
I wish I could find something like this that uses the natural minor scale as it's base.

Glad you like it.

If you want to use the natural minor, treat the vi scale degree as the tonic. As for the other minor scales I can but point you toward the theory page on Modal Interchange.
Basically stay on the outer hexagrams and you're playing in a minor context.

[tuz]

i don't exactly understand how this thing works but it sounds beautiful. thanks for the hard work. also, awesome gui!!!

[Deric]

Superb and attractive - I've wanted something like this for years.

[dblock]

This could be the very thing I've been looking for for a long time. I got it to work but not by hitting the keyboard keys.How do I get it so when I press the keybord keys I get the chord sound?
Thanks

[Deric]

This one got me too - you need to ensure that both midi tracks (i.e. the Chordspace track AND the VST instrument track) are selected.

I use Cubase SX - say Chordspace is my first midi track (track-1) and the midi instrument track is track-2 : I need to click on track-1 to 'select' track-1 and the shift-click track-2. At this point I will have both track-1 and track-2 highlighted i.e. both tracks are 'currently selected'. That's it.

Now now play the keyboard and notice which midi note you are pressing - it flashes up on the Chordspace window below the 'midi-note' column - then notice the midi note numbers in the midi-note fields; it is these keyboard keys you need to play to get Chordspace to play the chords. Note that you can change which keys these are.

There may be an different way to do this but this does work (on my system anyway).

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Deric.

[Deric]

Also make sure that both the Chordspace track and the instrument track are set to the SAME midi channel number.

Cheers,
Deric.

Ps. This (and ensuring both midi tracks are selected) aren't Chordspace issues - they're really about understanding how to use a host (like SX in my case) to do what I want it to.