This also explains why Gol calls you "orionboy".BONES wrote:Pretty much, I was banned for being openly critical on their forums and here. Eventually, after more public haranguing, I got my money back.arke wrote:Why did they ban you? Because you were so open about the workflow?
No, it's more like you driving to a construction site with your truck bringing supplies until everything is there and from then on you use your normal car to drive there because of better fuel economy.BONES wrote:How can that be less than completely insane? I want to get things done. What you describe is like having one car to drive on the freeway, where you park it and get in your other car to drive the rest of the way to the office every day.Something I should have noted previously is that I've started to find a nice combination of hosts.
I don't even use automation clips (anymore), the dedicated event patterns work much better. It makes copy and paste obsolete.BONES wrote:Cut/copy/paste works plenty good. I doubt I would use automation clips if they were there, as it seems to make more work for simple things.How? All I saw was per-pattern events which had to play at the same time as some notes and were restricted to the generator, and the usual per-song event list. Sure, you can copy and paste, but I find it easier to move around a few bars than copy and paste the actual data. Please enlighten me...
It doesn't work like others. In orion, the application window is the same as the document window (nothing wrong with that). If you open a word document, and open up a table dialog, you can close it any time and open it up again. If you open an effect in FL, you can close it and open it again anytime. If you open the sequencer in Reason, you can close it and open it again any time. Nothing gets deleted.BONES wrote:I really don't get how people have such a huge hang-up with something that works the same way in ORION as it does in almost every other piece of software. I have never had any problem with that at all.That's for the simple reason that you _can't_ close anything because otherwise it'd be deleted
Everybody works different. Some people work fine by not naming patterns in FL, some prefer automation clips, some just put the automation in the patterns themselves. Its a matter of taste. Hey, it worked well enough for them to make the song. In fact, its really pretty damn pretentious to reorganize the songs of other people because YOU think your way of organizing it is better.BONES wrote:I think the demo songs are presented very, very poorly. Only an idiot would work like that. I even went to the trouble of re-organising all of them once but Rich never bothered with them.Looking at the demo songs and making a few myself I find it quite messy to have everything stacked up at the bottom and having to find it again with the short names that you've got available there - so usually I'd just sequentially open everything until I found what I want and close the rest.
Well, how nice. I just tried that and Orion locked up instantly. This is on a computer that just got a new install 3 days ago, and has almost nothing on it. FL has crashed on me maybe 2 or 3 times, every time because of plugins, and Reason hasn't crashed on me at all.BONES wrote: But youcan open any generator or effect by clicking on it's label [or the Send" label] in the mixer. My minimised windows are all hidden by the Playlist so I'm not even aware of their existence.
I think its sad that I have to skin an app to make it be useable on my perfectly fine 1024x768x16m screen.BONES wrote:I used to work on a 1024x768 screen and never had any problems. Now I have considerably more space, 1680x1050 on my workstation and 1920x1200 on my laptop, it is even easier as I can leave the Master Section open all the time.....? Either I missed some sort of fundamental feature of Orion or you only use 2 generators and maybe 2 effects in your songs. The mixer filled up quickly, which wasn't helped by the fact that each channel was soo damn wide. Of course, selecting the "slim mixer" skin helped. But not much. I only have a 1024x768 laptop display. From a different comment of yours, I think you have quite a bit more
And the fundamental feature you are missing is that ORION is far more skinnable than FL. My narrowest mixer Strips were 30 pixels or so, but my newest skin is about 40 so that I can have longer labels.
Do I care about FL being skinnable? No. I'm glad for the dark colors, it makes it less of a strain on the eyes (as opposed to, say, Reason). Also, Orion kinda has to be skinnable becuase nobody can stand the default "stone" look of late 90's webpages of 13 year olds that discovered how to use background images.
....and is Wasp bad? I didn't think so.BONES wrote:TS404 was Rich's first softsynth. It was developed in to Wasp and then WaspXTTS404 != 3xOsc. The TS404 is what the Roland TB-404 or something would have been, most likely.
There you go again, mister pretentious. "PEOPLE THAT LIKE THIS ARE MORONS BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT". Fire up ReBirth, listen to a 303, and it sounds boring as f**k. Now, load up the "KiloMix" demo song, listen to it and you'll love the sound. Why? It's what you do with it after, and how it fits in with the rest.BONES wrote:What made it popular is the fact that people are morons - it is easily the worst sounding synth I have ever owned.The TB-303 didn't have good sound quality either but that's exactly what made it so popular
Aah, I see. So if I want to layer four synths, I have to do three mouse clicks times three, thats 9 mouse clicks. If I want to layer something in Reason, I slap it in a combinator. If I want to layer something in FL, I open the layer, (one click), select the channels (one long click, or whatever), then click "set children" (one click), amounting to three, maybe four clicks. That's less than half.BONES wrote:From the "OPT" button on an instrument's Toolbar, choose "Receive MIDI input from..." Alternatively, it is a simple process to coppy all patterns from one instrument to the next in a single operation.Also, how do you layer stuff together so that its controlled by the same patterns and piano roll? I couldn't figure it out (was trying to layer two Wasp XTs somehow, which is a great plug, by the way).
Man, if your head were any further up your ass you'd be able to touch your lung with your tongue.BONES wrote:It was introduced in v3 after everyone complained that, with even a modest number of channels, they easily started to scroll off the screen. Its a big problem when every single-hit sound takes up a full channel.Zipping is a workaround for ... what?
The FL Studio history doesn't say when zipped channels was added, but for version 1.4.0 (!) there was a bugfix for it.
Hey, you know what? I want zipped mixer channels in Orion because the mixer channels keep scrolling off my small screen because you have to create a mixer channel for every damn instrument!
...BONES wrote: Try it and see. Sidechaining is a much more dynamic process that gives a way better effect than simply tieing values.
What is sidechaining, if I may ask? Seems like you're confused on the concept.
I'm talking about the power users - many professionals that use FL all the time and report about it.BONES wrote:Actually, Gol is a games programmer who has no musical background at all....and what makes them not qualify as "pro"? These are people that have been doing this stuff for a living for years.
Yes, I know Gol was originally a games programmer but don'T you think he's a bit more knowledgeable about things nowadays? FL is not perfect but good enough for him to earn a load of cash and to make many people happy.
Alright, ignore my above comment, you are apparently already past your lungs.BONES wrote:Ummm... what do you think that is in ORION's Mixer?Agreed, that's nice, although I prefer the flexibility of a parametric EQ.
That is a joke of an EQ. A Fixed low shelf, a fixed high shelf, and two in the middle with only one having an adjustable Q, not to mention that its not at all visual. Compared to the MClass Equalizer, posishofit, or even the FL Parametric EQ, it's really laughable.
...non sequitur?BONES wrote:Really? How much did the addition of audio recording cost? If I recall, it was about the same as it did for ORION users which means that we have it even better than you because we get more updates for free.JayBird wrote:I have used FL studio for a long time. Nothing on the market compares to its value, period. The capabilities it brings to the table, coupled with the fact that upgrades cost nothing, is just amazing to me.
How thick can YOU be for not realizing that people have different opinions about things?BONES wrote:Again with this stupid obsession. How thick can people be?imekon wrote:I tried Orion and liked its workflow but hated the non-closable windows that cluttered up the lower half of the main window. Also, Orion crashed quite a lot for me.
There, I think that just about covers it for now.
