Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum

[Kriminal]

No, your a fucktard....

YOU'RE...as in YOU ARE..not YOUR

[BONES]

Enough of these short posts.

If you open a word document, and open up a table dialog, you can close it any time and open it up again. If you open an effect in FL, you can close it and open it again anytime. If you open the sequencer in Reason, you can close it and open it again any time. Nothing gets deleted.

So there is an infinitessimally small difference that you [and plenty of others] seem completely incapable of getting your head around, even though ORION warns you of what you are about to do. See, I look at it like I look at anything else I work with. If I have multiple windows open in Word or Photoshop or Xara, or anything else that allows me to open multiple windows, when I click on the little button with an "X" in it, they are gone, removed from the application completely. So if I just want the window out of the way, I minimise it. So visually it is completely the same for me and the only difference for you is that you tie a window to a project, even though a .sfs does not open in its own window the way the Word document you used as an example does. And I assume the Table dialog is modal, which means you have to close it to get back to your document? That's a completley different thing.

In fact, its really pretty damn pretentious to reorganize the songs of other people because YOU think your way of organizing it is better.

I was talking about the way the demo songs in ORION are presented, which is what you were criticising. I was actually trying to be helpful.

Well, how nice. I just tried that and Orion locked up instantly. This is on a computer that just got a new install 3 days ago, and has almost nothing on it. FL has crashed on me maybe 2 or 3 times, every time because of plugins, and Reason hasn't crashed on me at all.

And yet I have somehow miraculously managed to do it thousands of times, on half a dozen different machines, with not so much as a stutter. I must be very lucky. Or maybe I just don't have any of those annoying, pointless Windows animations switched on. That probably wouldn't affect FL and Reason's non-standard GUI's.

I think its sad that I have to skin an app to make it be useable on my perfectly fine 1024x768x16m screen.

Meanwhile, back in the 21st Century, we are all using decent sized screens. And customisng GUI's is one of the best things about music app's. Why should any of us have to conform to someone else's idea of good design? Maybe they work under very different conditions to me. Or maybe there is not a single GUI that is suitable for all conditions? Otherwise why would EnergyXT, FL and Live also be skinnable, at least in a limited way? Besides, I think you will find that the vast majority of users stick to the default skin.

...and is Wasp bad? I didn't think so.

Compared to WaspXT it is, very.

Now, load up the "KiloMix" demo song, listen to it and you'll love the sound. Why? It's what you do with it after, and how it fits in with the rest.

But by then it could be any f**king synth. The only 303 feature that makes it a 303 is that stupid tie/glide thing that you can use with several of ORION's generators and actually not need to post-process into the next century. It ain't got dick to do with the sound of the synth.

Aah, I see. So if I want to layer four synths, I have to do three mouse clicks times three, thats 9 mouse clicks. If I want to layer something in Reason, I slap it in a combinator. If I want to layer something in FL, I open the layer, (one click), select the channels (one long click, or whatever), then click "set children" (one click), amounting to three, maybe four clicks. That's less than half.

Intersting maths. For starts, its 6 clicks in ORION, you don't need to use a separate device which further clutters your workspace and its probably 5 clicks in FL, unless the instruments are handily all in a row. Of course, the real fact that is illuding you here is that I have never had to layer a part in ORION as things sound good all on their own.

The FL Studio history doesn't say when zipped channels was added, but for version 1.4.0 (!) there was a bugfix for it.

I really don't think it goes back that far. I'm pretty sure it wasn't there at all when I started using it at 1.7 because I'm sure I remember it being introduced. But it could have been before 3.0

Hey, you know what? I want zipped mixer channels in Orion because the mixer channels keep scrolling off my small screen because you have to create a mixer channel for every damn instrument!

We actually got Rich all excited about it at one stage but I assume its not an easy thing for him to do. personally, I would never use it though because the greatest strength of ORION's workflow is actually being able to see what you're doing.

What is sidechaining, if I may ask? Seems like you're confused on the concept.

Sidechaining uses the dynamics of an audio channel to modulate another source. In ORION it can be used with a number of effects and on the Sampler's filter.

That is a joke of an EQ. A Fixed low shelf, a fixed high shelf, and two in the middle with only one having an adjustable Q, not to mention that its not at all visual. Compared to the MClass Equalizer, posishofit, or even the FL Parametric EQ, it's really laughable.

Really? Here we go again. Quality. A good EQ doesn't need any visual feedback, you can hear its quality. If you cannot get a sound right with 4 bands of EQ, fixed or otherwise, you should probably look for a new sound. The EQ's you mentioned are not the right sort of EQ for a mixer channel. If you want the whole shebang, you use the 6-band Parametric EQ as an insert or the new, super-tasty 3 Band Analogue EQ, although it probably wouldn't interest you as it has no flashing lights or little pictures to hold your attention.

wOW! what an insult I'll take that over 'fruityboy' anyday

On so many levels!

You can't base any opinion about Orion around the cliché and dated work of Novakill, imo.

I always find it interesting that in EBM, if you don't want your music to sound like sad, boring, lifeless trance, somehow it has to sound dated. Yet with any rock genre anything from the 60's can be reused without anyone so much as batting an eyelid. If that's the way it is I am 100% happy to sound gloriously dated. Its way better than sounding like a girl's blouse. And as for cliche, its what defines the genre.

[Kriminal]

Enough of these short posts.

im too much of a fucktard to do all those quotes in one post, my tiny brain cannot cope, too many clicks and no flashing lights to guide me.....

[Cryogenic]

Enough of these short posts.

im too much of a fucktard to do all those quotes in one post, my tiny brain cannot cope, too many clicks and no flashing lights to guide me.....

I'M...as in I AM...not im

[Kriminal]

Enough of these short posts.

im too much of a fucktard to do all those quotes in one post, my tiny brain cannot cope, too many clicks and no flashing lights to guide me.....

I'M...as in I AM...not im

i think i hit a nerve


you' RE still a talentless twat tho, run along boy

[Cryogenic]

I always find it interesting that in EBM, if you don't want your music to sound like sad, boring, lifeless trance, somehow it has to sound dated. Yet with any rock genre anything from the 60's can be reused without anyone so much as batting an eyelid. If that's the way it is I am 100% happy to sound gloriously dated. Its way better than sounding like a girl's blouse. And as for cliche, its what defines the genre.

It's a big difference between reuse and dated.
And the widespread appreciation and 'timeless' fan base of rock music vs. EMB, might also be a quality issue.
Or are you just misunderstood?

I could'nt care less for your music or the genre, but your ramble about Orion, quality, workflow, and 'getting things done' does not show in your music, and does not put your money where your mouth is to any regards of this.

And your acting here, calling everyone morons, thick, idiots, and the phony attitude, is that a part of the cliché and image of the genre too? Seems so, and are way too obvious.

[Kriminal]

I could'nt care less for your music or the genre, but your ramble about Orion, quality, workflow, and 'getting things done' does not show in your music, and does not put your money where your mouth is to any regards of this.

Well, they released two albums recently, so that kinda puts his money right where his mouth is, no?

[Cryogenic]

i think i hit a nerve

you' RE still a talentless twat tho, run along boy

Yeah. Picking typos is a great talent you got. Nice comeback.
Now get a life.

PS: Post some music, talentboy. Can't wait.

[Cryogenic]

I could'nt care less for your music or the genre, but your ramble about Orion, quality, workflow, and 'getting things done' does not show in your music, and does not put your money where your mouth is to any regards of this.

Well, they released two albums recently, so that kinda puts his money right where his mouth is, no?

Yeah, sure, talentboy. Releasing albums are sure to be a quality stamp.
I really can't think of any cd/albums released that suck.

[Kriminal]

i think i hit a nerve

you' RE still a talentless twat tho, run along boy

Yeah. Picking typos is a great talent you got. Nice comeback.
Now get a life.

PS: Post some music, talentboy. Can't wait.

Ive posted over 200 here in the last 5 years, and released an album which sold very well....cheers!

Yeah. Picking typos is a great talent you got. Nice comeback.
.

I think you'll find its 'you've got', not you got

Get a tutor.

[Cryogenic]

i think i hit a nerve

you' RE still a talentless twat tho, run along boy

Ive posted over 200 here in the last 5 years, and released an album which sold very well....cheers!

So where and what is it.

Yeah. Picking typos is a great talent you got. Nice comeback.

I think you'll find its 'you've got', not you got

Get a tutor.

Moron.

[Kriminal]

Moron.

I'm so glad you picked a word with no punctuation, and you even managed to get all 5 letters in the right order. A gold star for effort

[CypherOne]

are Cubase users allowed to join in this riveting debate?

[Kriminal]

are Cubase users allowed to join in this riveting debate?

not if it's cubasis

[CypherOne]

well I have a couple of versions...anyway do you have a point?


oh and thanks for remembering my host but not my name...