Miroslav Philharmonik and CPU usage

[michael_maberly]

Has anyone used IK Mulitmedia’s Miroslav Philharmonik to produce a full orchestral score (eg, 3 flutes, 2 oboes, 3 clarinets, 2 bassoons, 1 contrabassoon, 3 trumpets, 4 horns, 3 trombones, 2 tubas, piano, harp, celeste, standard orchestral percussion, violins divisi [in 2], violas divisi [in 2], cello section, double bass section)? If so:

How many copies of Miroslav Philharmonik did you load into your project?

How many channels did you run it on?

Did you run into CPU overload/other problems?

Thanks!

[luxth]

Hi Michael,

I work usually with a template loaded with 5 full instances of Philharmonik (16 x 5 = 80 channels). On a PIV 3.0 Ghz, the cpu never overloads even on high intensive passages (big tuttis), using also hi cpu hungry reverb plugin and a maximizer.

With that template, on 2 gigs of memory I still have 900 Mbytes free.

Hope this helps

Luca

[Kim Lajoie]

Pretty much any modern computer will be able to handle a full orchestral score with Philharmonik.

For example, I'm currently working on a piece with two SampleTank2's and one almost-full Philharmonik. It's not a comprehensive orchestra, but I make up for it with all the synthesisers and drum machines and tribal percussion in SampleTank2. It all runs fine on my ageing AMD 2200.

The number of instances you'll need for a full orchestra will really depend on how many articulations you want to use. You can fit a basic orchestra in a single instance.

-Kim.

[michael_maberly]

Hope this helps

It sure does! Thanks, Luca.
- Michael

[michael_maberly]

Pretty much any modern computer will be able to handle a full orchestral score with Philharmonik.. .

Thanks, Kim!

- Michael

[rollasoc]

I tried running three instances of Philharmonik during the week, each with about 6 to 8 channels in use and my PC ground to a halt.

I did however have a couple tracks of acoustic guitar and vocals with effects (reverbs x 2 , compressors, eq, delays etc) so I was pushing it a bit.

P4 2.4 with 1GB ram.

[michael_maberly]

I tried running three instances of Philharmonik during the week, each with about 6 to 8 channels in use and my PC ground to a halt.

I did however have a couple tracks of acoustic guitar and vocals with effects (reverbs x 2 , compressors, eq, delays etc) so I was pushing it a bit.

P4 2.4 with 1GB ram.

Whew! Thanks for sharing this.
- Michael

[nexussynth]

I tried running three instances of Philharmonik during the week, each with about 6 to 8 channels in use and my PC ground to a halt.

I did however have a couple tracks of acoustic guitar and vocals with effects (reverbs x 2 , compressors, eq, delays etc) so I was pushing it a bit.

P4 2.4 with 1GB ram.

Reverbs will really eat up your CPU cycles! You also may have been running the Miro with the CSR activated. I also turn off the eq for each instrument if it doesn't need it.

I have run so far 2 1/2 instances of Miro, that is 40(!) instrument parts on my less than state-of-the-art AMD 3000+ with 2 gigs. I turned off CSR on each instance and tracked with a Waves rVerb (edit), then rendered with the full CSR turned back on.

I feel I might have been able to add a couple more instruments without glitches.

I have 'streamlined' my WIN XP for audio and done a few other tweaks. I also am getting good performance from my EMU 0404 card and SONAR 4. Optimizing SONAR has helped imo.

I don't think the CSR is a CPU hog by any means but all reverbs chew CPU cycles like a 'pac-man'.

P.S.: I should also point out that using a lot of CC on each different part all at once can lead to glitching with Miro. I try to limit that and if needed will just freeze that instance.

[gtgarner]

What's the difference between SampleTank and Philharmonik?

[Squids]

What's the difference between SampleTank and Philharmonik?

Mainly the sounds that come with it are completely different. SampleTank is an overall sample workstation with a little of everything plus you can also import your own sounds. Philharmonik is an orchestral workstation dedicated to just orchestral and choir sounds from Miroslav Vitous (a collection of sounds that used to cost many times more money than it sells for now as Philharmonik).

[gtgarner]

Thanks for your quick response, however now I'm really confused.

So Sample Tank could be considered as an independant VST instrument/sample player with it's own sounds. Am I correct?
Why then would the company create a seperate product like Philharmonik? Why didn't they just upgrade SampleTank with Philharmoniks sounds? Oh well....nevermind.

Are you familiar with a possible package deal where I could get both?

[gtgarner]

Hey, I just saw expansionsion tank stuff on their website.......is this yet another independant VST module with it's own library of upgrades?

HMMM looks like I'm going to have to spend another hour or so investigating what all of this stuff is.

I am looking for wonderfuly sampled strings and horns.

[Joseph Burrell]

Then you definitely want the Philharmonik. At least if those 'wonderfully samples strings and horns' will be used in an orchestral context.

[gtgarner]

10-4 Thanks a million.

[Squids]

Thanks for your quick response, however now I'm really confused.

So Sample Tank could be considered as an independant VST instrument/sample player with it's own sounds. Am I correct?
Why then would the company create a seperate product like Philharmonik? Why didn't they just upgrade SampleTank with Philharmoniks sounds? Oh well....nevermind.

Are you familiar with a possible package deal where I could get both?

Yes, you can purchase the main SampleTank 2 XL from www.esoundz.com and then pick up the Philharmonik "crossgrade" which is a discounted version for people who have SampleTank 2 XL (so you save quite a bit for buying both).