Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum

[Wopelka]

I'm gonna keep it. Every so often a collab comes up with a FL user.

If you find me a way to control Reason's knobs for automation from another host via ReWire, then I'll be happy. But since I'm 100% certain that there's no easy way to do that, I'll just stick with Reason itself. The sequencer isn't half bad once you get used to it.

well you can use the automation in Reason and still sequence your synths from the rewire master...

and don't you have any vsti?

[Kriminal]

Oh yeah, BONES, you never told me how you like my EQ setup .. you know, the one that Kriminal didn't like because he probably works at McDonalds himself and is ashamed of it so he insults others with it? Kinda like the kid that laughs about others being mama boys but is himself completely dependent on his mom?

what is a mom?


im afraid as an accomplished producer, engineeer and sound designer, i dont have time to work in McDonalds, i leave that kinda stuff to Reason boys, it doesnt interfere with their homework.

[jens]

The entire point behind Reason is that its closed. It gives you anything that you could ever need to synthesize a sound

Wavetable synthesis or wave sequencing for incredible, evolving textures?

Proof of that you don't know shit!

[diverdee]

I'm gonna keep it. Every so often a collab comes up with a FL user.

If you find me a way to control Reason's knobs for automation from another host via ReWire, then I'll be happy. But since I'm 100% certain that there's no easy way to do that, I'll just stick with Reason itself.

You mean you don't control reason's automation from within FL?
I don't know how fruity works, but i've controlled reason from within Tracktion & Ableton Live with no problem - as long as the rewire master has focus/control it's just a case of drawing/editing/recording midi CC's.
Just read reasons midi implementation charts.
In Tracktion I used to have to look up the requisite CC number on the chart & then record that data (as tracktion only showed me the generic CC number), In Live (within midi clips) it actually just lists the function's e.g. Subtractor 1 filter cutoff etc.
Surely fruity does the same/similar?
Possibly it's rewire implementation may be slimmer/limited - I know that's the case with Sonar for instance & have heard (bones may know the truth of this, although he appears not to be too enamoured of the rewire protocol) that it is likewise limited in Orion.

[diverdee]

I just posted something on another thread about the benefits & limitations of the combinator in reason3 & it got me thinking.
A lot of the posts on this particular topic seem to be concerned about 1) workflow & how our diifferent approaches & workflows probably predispose us towards particular hosts, we can't objectively say any one is better than an another as we approach our art differently - it seems a little like artists arguing over the superiority of watercolor over print, or maybe a better analogy would be particular techniques - at the end of the day it's the art that matters & 2)features & featuresets, as in 'mine does this so there' 'yeah but mines got this doohicky that's way cooler than the similar one in yours' - people point out limitations in a hosts effects, synths, pianoroll or lack of features - but it is often these (what appear to be) 'lacking' features that open the way to creativity.
My example is the combinator - it only has 4 rotaries, I wish it had more, i've made combis & thought 'damn I could do with another 2 rotaries', yet that has forced me to attack from another diredtion, share rotaries for modulating/controlling multiple functions with results that are often intriguing, pleasing & that lead me down a creative path.
So although i'm happy with what i've got, I can't really attack another's host because it's workflow 'sucks' or it lacks features I need - these 'sucky' workflow's & lacking features may be what makes it so productive for the next guy.
when I was in hooligan (my old group) the dude who did most of the music used an atari st with the old cubase on, a couple of w30's a sampler (i forget which) a juno & an anx something or other synth (a a few other bit & bobs, outboard effects & the like) & an old, but nice mixing desk.
He eventually bought a brand spanking new pc & a copy of cubase vst - the whole world of vst's & the emerging vsti's opened up to him.
He eventually sold vst & kept the pc for playing games online.
He continued doing remixes, putting tracks on compilations & releasing (fairly underground) singles quite happily.
He had his workflow, & his equipment could be perceived as very 'lacking' in features - but it worked very well for him.
we all thought he was crazy, but he was successful - so who were we to judge?

[original flipper]

HI

The only reason I ditched my Amiga/MusicX combo was midi timing - I would have probably kept using it through to the late ninties/early millenium otherwise.

I personally only judge a product from my experience - if it 'sucked' for me I might mention that - but you would have to be a sandwich short of the pinic to say 'because it sucked for me - it must or should suck for everyone'!

Flipper.

[TeeLangSun]

No, its def Reason, its limited because you can only use what THEY give you , not what YOU want to, unless you Re-Wire it, which is a joke.

Which would be good if they gave you anything worth having, like WaspXT, but they don't. So it isn't.
i don't really mind the idea of the rack, except that it takes up less than half the width of my monitor. Even in a real, hardware studio I can have two racks so it shouldn't be much of a stretch for Propellerheads, should it? All it needs is an option somewhere for single or double width racks. What could be more obvious? [Apart from Cryogenic's lack of talent.]

Of all the software I've bought and checked out the included demo tunes, Reason consistently has the best. I say this only to say that there's nothing wrong with the quality of the instruments or sound of Reason. They sound great in the hands of people who know how to use them. I'm not saying that a great tune can't be cooked up in Orion or FL, etc, but Reason simply always has great demo tunes, totally made in Reason.

There's this one demo tune called "One More Reason" that is simply amazing. The musician who created it was of course a great and accomplished keyboardist/arranger, but also Reason allowed him to create such a stunning and high quality piece of music. It's unquestionable.

Malstrom makes sounds I haven't heard from any other piece of software. The Scream Distortion is in my opinion better than any software I've yet witnessed. Reason's RV-7000 Reverb was better than any software reverb I'd heard until recently, there are some reverbs that I believe can compete against it, but Reason is able to do it with ridiculously low CPU usage.

I agree that the two rack idea is an obvious step in the right direction for Reason. I've been saying for years myself but the Props have their own vision for their software and don't really seem to listen much to their customers.

[vurt]

[opia]

[vurt]

[The Chase]

The entire point behind Reason is that its closed. It gives you anything that you could ever need to synthesize a sound

Wavetable synthesis or wave sequencing for incredible, evolving textures?

Proof of that you don't know shit!

wtf? WT synthesis and wave sequencing are the cream of evolving textures. By saying that you make it seem that you don't know shit.

[arke]

You mean you don't control reason's automation from within FL?
I don't know how fruity works, but i've controlled reason from within Tracktion & Ableton Live with no problem - as long as the rewire master has focus/control it's just a case of drawing/editing/recording midi CC's.
Just read reasons midi implementation charts.

...OH GOD I LOVE YOU!!! YES!!!!

It works from within FL! Maybe I won't completely ditch it afterall (i did like the sequencing better).

[Kriminal]

FFS, any host that wont allow you to play a chord, has got to be shite, no?

[bluedad]

FFS, any host that wont allow you to play a chord, has got to be shite, no?

Dave what do you mean?
You can play chords with Reason synths..

[BONES]

What about FL, are you gonna ditch it?

I've got some collabs to finish in FL and then its bye bye Image-Line for me.

Where does FLS go to die since IL won't let ppl transfer registrations?

What you need to do is piss them off enough that they ban you. Then you can shame them publicly into giving you your money back. Believe me, it didn't take any effort at all.