Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum

[reallynotserious]

[bluedad]

Am I the only one here that's under impression that it was actually Kriminal who was initially offering the.. ahem.. service.

doesn't matter, chase seemed more than happy to (cough)
assume the position.

[The Chase]

!!! who is this!?!

[BONES]

I'd be willing to spend on something so completely overblown and nearly unusable

I know what you mean, let me guess, what's better than sytrus is surely in ORION?

Not really. What's better than Sytrus has an interface that fits on a single page and does one or two things really easily and very well. I'm sure Sytrus is great, it has some amazing presets, but there is no way I would ever get anything done if I was using instruments like that. It would be next to impossible to start from scratch and make something, instead it would be a matter of trawling through endless presets to find something useful and then doing a bit of tweaking. I hate working like that, I'm much more into loading the synth and making what I want on the spot.

He doesen't beleive that his expirience is limited

Not compared to you, moron. When did you first go into a commercial studio to record? I spent $2500 in 1985 to record some demo's over two weekends at a studio in Sydney.

As for Orion, I don't think I'd really like anything from Orion, maybe Ultran...

UltranWMS is OK but it was the first to feature Rich's new filter algorithms and it is not quite as good as WaspXT, although it has many more knobs.

Because it's impossible to successfully argue "quality", but you're not seeming to grasp this simple point. People know about quality, they also know that it's a waste of time to try to prove that synth A sounds better than synth b.

Take a look back through the thread, who has said they like the sound of anything? I cannot recall a single reply which so much talks about sounds, except ion the context of the number of presets.

It's not about what I personally need, but what people need in general. If people say they need rewire or any other feature, who are you to say that they shouldn't?

But who decided that? Propellerheads decided, not any of their users.

So you're saying that he purposefully allows Orion to stay buggy to rid himself of amatuer users? LOL. Then we have to watch you dispair at the low opinion that CM has of it.

It couldn't possibly as low as my opinion has been of them for many years.

Absolutely. When audio recording refused to work properly for years in Orion for me, Rich's advice was that I should get a "high end" audio interface and he recommended a hammerfall.

Audio recording hasn't been there for "years", well maybe two.

Eventually another user recommended that I simply changed the PPQ. That fixed it. In other words, the default PPQ setting in Orion rendered audio monitoring/recording in Orion disfunctional and Rich was unaware and could only offer ridiculous advice.

Rich and most of the rest of us. Like I said, I suppose he would rather spend his time doing things for the rest of us, rather than just trying to keep you and one other person happy.

The real answer to the problem was amazingly, the PPQ setting. That one stone killed two birds and Rich had no idea and could only offer more ridiculous advice.

Like Isadi, maybe he is just not interested in solvin gyour problems?

Let's not forget that I've found and reported more bugs than you and you're a beta tester.

How the hell would you know? Do you have access to the beta forums? Nothing goes out of beta with bugs if Rich gives us the time to test thoroughly.

So you can call what I was doing "whinging" if you like, but now that the rest of the world seems to agree with me that Orion is quite buggy, I feel quite vindicated.

Rest of the world? I count two other people in this thread. That means you are in the minority. Almost everyone agrees that since v5.1, when Rich fixed a few big problems, that it is perfectly stable.
BTW, you never told me on the Synapse forum whether or not you have stopped bundling samples. Have you? Does it help?

Orion is in the state that it's in because that's the level of Rich's ability.

Well, at least we agree on something, although I think what you're talking about is more Rich's level of interest. He clearly work on the things that interest him. Its his project so why shouldn't he? I fully acknowledge that most of what gets him excited intersts me so its great for me.

If he could, he'd have Orion as stable as FL or any other sequencer.

It is, for almost everyone but you.

Instead, he just keeps creating delays and reverbs. How do you make sense of Orion having 8 delays and 5 reverbs!!!!!!!!!

Backwards compatibility. Its not about ticking boxes - delay, check... reverb, check... - its about constantly improving the quality of everything as the capacity of PC's increases. But the older FX cannot just be thrown out because people may have used them in old projects.

For anyone reading this who hasn't looked at Orion, that last part was not a joke. Orion has more delays than NYC public transportation. And still, I personally choose a single very capable plugin delay to handle all my delay needs. Why? Because I'm more interested in quality, not quantity.

HA! The Platinum Diffuse Delay is far and away the best sounding delay I have ever heard. It is truly magnificent. Apart from WaspXT, that delay is the the other thing that has done most to improve the quality of our work.

And now you're saying that a sequencer is not the proper place to record audio tracks. To which I'm struggling to find a response.

I suppose its the big sequencer mentality which I have never bought into. You assume its the right place because that's where everyone else does it but I cannot imagine it being even close to having all the right tools that you have in a multi-track audio editor. it might be good for laying down scratch tracks but I have infinitely finer control in CE2k.

The one thing that evident in nearly all of your posts is, "me, me, me, me, me, me, me" Everything you say is narrowly focused on you.

How can it not be? I'm not so full of myself to feel that I can talk for anyone else, except maybe Sik. But its certainly obvious from here that I am right and most of you idiots don't have clue. Completely obvious.

Does that mean that you actually need Orion's 8 separate delays and 5 separate reverbs?

Probably, if I go back to my earliest projects. Certainly I have used all of the reverbs over the years and three of them still get regular use as they do completely different things.

I think the reality is something different. I think Rich is doing things that he simply enjoys doing. Smashing bugs and adding mundane but highly useful features into the sequencer are probably a lot less interesting than creating yet another new synth that, unfortunately, only you seem to care about.

I think you may be right but then again, I am perfectly happy with every other aspect of ORION too, so if he worked on the sequencer I doubt that it would help me out at all.

What you're talking about is what we commonly call workarounds. I could spend an eternity in Orion trying to do things that take a second to do in a sequencer which simply has that ability built in. For example, highlighting a section of audio and hitting a key command to reverse it. In Orion, how would you do that.

Richt-click, "Reverse". Or is that too hard?

In other words you focus on things that can be easily added (soft synths which range from free to a dime a dozen) while a lot of us seem more focused on things that you either have in your sequencer, or you don't.

HA! No-one makes filters like Rich. No-one. You just can't get VSTi to replace most of the generators in ORION, at any price.

Actually, that's Dyad DXi you're talking about and it's been around for years as a plugin.

Yeah, I beta tested it many years ago but I never realised it ever got released.

I've found my own personal medium of using XT in Orion, which lately, the XT part has been mainly central. The last couple of projects I've been working with don't even have any native synths in it. I use Kontakt and Reaktor a lot, but I do enjoy the wasp, sampler and Ultran now and then.
Anyway I've been recording midi and handling audio in XT but it all goes to the mixer where I use a lot of native fx so it's a perfect 50/50 for me.
I never really bothered to handle audio files in the Orion playlist but handled audio in the sampler and drumrack (which is one native thing I will bring up often)
Handling audio files in XT is much better, faster and easier thanks to the browser. It's quick and easy to convert my midi into audio and automatically have in as a new audio track without having to browse for it and bring it in. Adn when I DO actual audio recording I'll prbably find more stability recording with xt still in orion.
So with XTs main sequencing and audio abilities coupled with Orions mixer and fx gives me confidence and inspiration in a host for when I want to work on something and get it finished.

That is kind fo what I was thnking of doing witheXT but I just don't feel there are any advantages, although I don't work linearly so that is probably the big difference. eXT in ORION just overcomplicates teh whole process for me.

BONES, if you want to say "hate to say I told you so" once again, please do. About Reason in FL, I found
- its too much of a hassle to set up instruments and automation
- lack of integration ... maybe its easier in other apps
- I noticed something. In FL, I tend to do alot of things repeatedly, while in Reason I'm more inclined to add variations.
So, its Reason 3.0 only for me
(forgive me if my posts happen to be unreadable, i just got back from a fill-head-with-alcohol event)

Why thank-you, sir. I don't mind if I do.
See, I told you so, you moron.
There you go ceenda, you weren't wrong after all. It took a little coaxing but eventually we flew past 32 pages. Its just a shame your original comment is on p23. Oh, well, we do what we can. I wonder if this will be a whole page?

[Hunter]

I'd be willing to spend on something so completely overblown and nearly unusable

I know what you mean, let me guess, what's better than sytrus is surely in ORION?

Not really. What's better than Sytrus has an interface that fits on a single page and does one or two things really easily and very well. I'm sure Sytrus is great, it has some amazing presets, but there is no way I would ever get anything done if I was using instruments like that. It would be next to impossible to start from scratch and make something, instead it would be a matter of trawling through endless presets to find something useful and then doing a bit of tweaking. I hate working like that, I'm much more into loading the synth and making what I want on the spot.

He doesen't beleive that his expirience is limited

Not compared to you, moron. When did you first go into a commercial studio to record? I spent $2500 in 1985 to record some demo's over two weekends at a studio in Sydney.

As for Orion, I don't think I'd really like anything from Orion, maybe Ultran...

UltranWMS is OK but it was the first to feature Rich's new filter algorithms and it is not quite as good as WaspXT, although it has many more knobs.

Because it's impossible to successfully argue "quality", but you're not seeming to grasp this simple point. People know about quality, they also know that it's a waste of time to try to prove that synth A sounds better than synth b.

Take a look back through the thread, who has said they like the sound of anything? I cannot recall a single reply which so much talks about sounds, except ion the context of the number of presets.

It's not about what I personally need, but what people need in general. If people say they need rewire or any other feature, who are you to say that they shouldn't?

But who decided that? Propellerheads decided, not any of their users.

So you're saying that he purposefully allows Orion to stay buggy to rid himself of amatuer users? LOL. Then we have to watch you dispair at the low opinion that CM has of it.

It couldn't possibly as low as my opinion has been of them for many years.

Absolutely. When audio recording refused to work properly for years in Orion for me, Rich's advice was that I should get a "high end" audio interface and he recommended a hammerfall.

Audio recording hasn't been there for "years", well maybe two.

Eventually another user recommended that I simply changed the PPQ. That fixed it. In other words, the default PPQ setting in Orion rendered audio monitoring/recording in Orion disfunctional and Rich was unaware and could only offer ridiculous advice.

Rich and most of the rest of us. Like I said, I suppose he would rather spend his time doing things for the rest of us, rather than just trying to keep you and one other person happy.

The real answer to the problem was amazingly, the PPQ setting. That one stone killed two birds and Rich had no idea and could only offer more ridiculous advice.

Like Isadi, maybe he is just not interested in solvin gyour problems?

Let's not forget that I've found and reported more bugs than you and you're a beta tester.

How the hell would you know? Do you have access to the beta forums? Nothing goes out of beta with bugs if Rich gives us the time to test thoroughly.

So you can call what I was doing "whinging" if you like, but now that the rest of the world seems to agree with me that Orion is quite buggy, I feel quite vindicated.

Rest of the world? I count two other people in this thread. That means you are in the minority. Almost everyone agrees that since v5.1, when Rich fixed a few big problems, that it is perfectly stable.
BTW, you never told me on the Synapse forum whether or not you have stopped bundling samples. Have you? Does it help?

Orion is in the state that it's in because that's the level of Rich's ability.

Well, at least we agree on something, although I think what you're talking about is more Rich's level of interest. He clearly work on the things that interest him. Its his project so why shouldn't he? I fully acknowledge that most of what gets him excited intersts me so its great for me.

If he could, he'd have Orion as stable as FL or any other sequencer.

It is, for almost everyone but you.

Instead, he just keeps creating delays and reverbs. How do you make sense of Orion having 8 delays and 5 reverbs!!!!!!!!!

Backwards compatibility. Its not about ticking boxes - delay, check... reverb, check... - its about constantly improving the quality of everything as the capacity of PC's increases. But the older FX cannot just be thrown out because people may have used them in old projects.

For anyone reading this who hasn't looked at Orion, that last part was not a joke. Orion has more delays than NYC public transportation. And still, I personally choose a single very capable plugin delay to handle all my delay needs. Why? Because I'm more interested in quality, not quantity.

HA! The Platinum Diffuse Delay is far and away the best sounding delay I have ever heard. It is truly magnificent. Apart from WaspXT, that delay is the the other thing that has done most to improve the quality of our work.

And now you're saying that a sequencer is not the proper place to record audio tracks. To which I'm struggling to find a response.

I suppose its the big sequencer mentality which I have never bought into. You assume its the right place because that's where everyone else does it but I cannot imagine it being even close to having all the right tools that you have in a multi-track audio editor. it might be good for laying down scratch tracks but I have infinitely finer control in CE2k.

The one thing that evident in nearly all of your posts is, "me, me, me, me, me, me, me" Everything you say is narrowly focused on you.

How can it not be? I'm not so full of myself to feel that I can talk for anyone else, except maybe Sik. But its certainly obvious from here that I am right and most of you idiots don't have clue. Completely obvious.

Does that mean that you actually need Orion's 8 separate delays and 5 separate reverbs?

Probably, if I go back to my earliest projects. Certainly I have used all of the reverbs over the years and three of them still get regular use as they do completely different things.

I think the reality is something different. I think Rich is doing things that he simply enjoys doing. Smashing bugs and adding mundane but highly useful features into the sequencer are probably a lot less interesting than creating yet another new synth that, unfortunately, only you seem to care about.

I think you may be right but then again, I am perfectly happy with every other aspect of ORION too, so if he worked on the sequencer I doubt that it would help me out at all.

What you're talking about is what we commonly call workarounds. I could spend an eternity in Orion trying to do things that take a second to do in a sequencer which simply has that ability built in. For example, highlighting a section of audio and hitting a key command to reverse it. In Orion, how would you do that.

Richt-click, "Reverse". Or is that too hard?

In other words you focus on things that can be easily added (soft synths which range from free to a dime a dozen) while a lot of us seem more focused on things that you either have in your sequencer, or you don't.

HA! No-one makes filters like Rich. No-one. You just can't get VSTi to replace most of the generators in ORION, at any price.

Actually, that's Dyad DXi you're talking about and it's been around for years as a plugin.

Yeah, I beta tested it many years ago but I never realised it ever got released.

I've found my own personal medium of using XT in Orion, which lately, the XT part has been mainly central. The last couple of projects I've been working with don't even have any native synths in it. I use Kontakt and Reaktor a lot, but I do enjoy the wasp, sampler and Ultran now and then.
Anyway I've been recording midi and handling audio in XT but it all goes to the mixer where I use a lot of native fx so it's a perfect 50/50 for me.
I never really bothered to handle audio files in the Orion playlist but handled audio in the sampler and drumrack (which is one native thing I will bring up often)
Handling audio files in XT is much better, faster and easier thanks to the browser. It's quick and easy to convert my midi into audio and automatically have in as a new audio track without having to browse for it and bring it in. Adn when I DO actual audio recording I'll prbably find more stability recording with xt still in orion.
So with XTs main sequencing and audio abilities coupled with Orions mixer and fx gives me confidence and inspiration in a host for when I want to work on something and get it finished.

That is kind fo what I was thnking of doing witheXT but I just don't feel there are any advantages, although I don't work linearly so that is probably the big difference. eXT in ORION just overcomplicates teh whole process for me.

BONES, if you want to say "hate to say I told you so" once again, please do. About Reason in FL, I found
- its too much of a hassle to set up instruments and automation
- lack of integration ... maybe its easier in other apps
- I noticed something. In FL, I tend to do alot of things repeatedly, while in Reason I'm more inclined to add variations.
So, its Reason 3.0 only for me
(forgive me if my posts happen to be unreadable, i just got back from a fill-head-with-alcohol event)

Why thank-you, sir. I don't mind if I do.
See, I told you so, you moron.
There you go ceenda, you weren't wrong after all. It took a little coaxing but eventually we flew past 32 pages. Its just a shame your original comment is on p23. Oh, well, we do what we can. I wonder if this will be a whole page?

I take this opportunity to pass the KvR "longest post EVER" crown to you from xbruce's fine baldy heed

[Shane Sanders]

Where's the beef?

[reallynotserious]

[rbet]

L-O-fuckin'-L!!! Maybe that moron slider should be all the way to the right

[bluedad]

I take this opportunity to pass the KvR "longest post EVER" crown to you from xbruce's fine baldy heed

I don't know that I'd go that far. Bones post had a lot of quotes taking up space. XBruce can do it all on his own!

[TeeLangSun]

BONES, if you want to say "hate to say I told you so" once again, please do. About Reason in FL, I found
- its too much of a hassle to set up instruments and automation
- lack of integration ... maybe its easier in other apps
- I noticed something. In FL, I tend to do alot of things repeatedly, while in Reason I'm more inclined to add variations.

So, its Reason 3.0 only for me

(forgive me if my posts happen to be unreadable, i just got back from a fill-head-with-alcohol event)

I also find rewire to be messy in general, but in stuff like FL Studio and Orion, it's even worse because these soft studios for whatever reason have rewire implemented in a very "minimal" way. Orion's is downright disfunctional while FL's is just hard to use. No control at all on the client side, not even to just press play on the transport. You have to jump back to FL just to do that. The best rewire implementation I know of is in Cubase SX which makes sense.

[tony tony chopper]

Not really. What's better than Sytrus has an interface that fits on a single page and does one or two things really easily and very well.

So by definition a 2-knobs synth would be dead-easy to use, so better than everything else?

I think that the fact it's tabbed makes it easier to use. If you're in the operator 1 tab, you know you only see controls for operator 1.

[peejunk]

He doesen't beleive that his expirience is limited

Not compared to you, moron. When did you first go into a commercial studio to record? I spent $2500 in 1985 to record some demo's over two weekends at a studio in Sydney.

Wow, you cannot imagine how incredibly impressed I am now! Off course, now I fully realize what a fool I was to even toy with the idea that your way of using audio software and your choice of audio software isn't the ultimate, omnious Path of the Righteous. I'm now off buying ORION, ashamed of my heathen behaviour, in hope you'll find a way, in your ultimate wisdom, to forgive me.

Hoping (sob) one day (sob sob) I'll get to call you "Master".

I mean, $2500 (AUD?) waaay back in '85... wow!

[arke]

I don't know .. is it even possible to represent the entirety of Sytrus on a single page without it being huge like vurtbox or vanguard when opened?

I like a tabbed interface. And yes I know Reason doesn't have a tabbed interface but it has zipping and the combinator which is a more than good enough workaround.

[diverdee]

ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
ORION is the bestest..........
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becoz BONES sez so an he is pro level quality stoodio merchant wiv lp's an everyfink an we bow before his superior knowledge.

He runs rings around us logically.

[jens]

ORION is the bestest..........

becoz BONES sez so an he is pro level quality stoodio merchant wiv lp's an everyfink an we bow before his superior knowledge.

He runs rings around us logically.

yup - all we can do is: