KVR Audio

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:12 pm

Hink wrote:If you use the K-v-Rake, this thread is very imformative indeed, thanx to those who have made it so...

Hahah, I find myself not alone. I too often scroll thru threads really fast because at around page 2 (usually) someone, for whatever reason, will take something personally and turn the thread into a whine war taking other people down with him as it goes along. It seems that some people here live for these threads and don't actually take part in much of the (informative) audio related discussion at all. It's a shame because the general feel around kvr on any thread is hateful and whiney.

I find it even more surprising knowing the general folk here is older than me and should know how to behave.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:27 pm

Kingston wrote: I find it even more surprising knowing the general folk here is older than me and should know how to behave.

So how old are you then? And why do you think that foolishness is something that goes away with age? I don't think so ...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:29 pm

fritzman wrote:
Kingston wrote: I find it even more surprising knowing the general folk here is older than me and should know how to behave.
So how old are you then? And why do you think that foolishness is something that goes away with age? I don't think so ...

Well, you live and learn. At least that's how it's supposed to go right? I've lived 25 years, probably learned a lot less than that.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:51 pm

Kingston wrote:
fritzman wrote:
Kingston wrote: I find it even more surprising knowing the general folk here is older than me and should know how to behave.
So how old are you then? And why do you think that foolishness is something that goes away with age? I don't think so ...
Well, you live and learn. At least that's how it's supposed to go right? I've lived 25 years, probably learned a lot less than that.

To learn something is the follow up of the willingness to do so. Some people stopped learning when they dropped outa school. Some understood that you better never stop learning. So it depends on willingness mostly. In a nutshell that's what I learned about it so far.

Best wishes, FRitz

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:02 pm

fritzman wrote:
Kingston wrote: I find it even more surprising knowing the general folk here is older than me and should know how to behave.
So how old are you then? And why do you think that foolishness is something that goes away with age? I don't think so ...

I'm quite sure it won't...

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:09 pm

lol. when i phase invert one track and put the other on top and play them both the same time i DONT hear silence. i hear only high frequencies?

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:16 pm

sonicfire wrote:lol. when i phase invert one track and put the other on top and play them both the same time i DONT hear silence. i hear only high frequencies?

Eh, yes. When applying what exactly as insert?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:19 am

sonic; for something to produce only high frequencies in this 'test', would require that it has a low pass filter applied to the signal.

imagine it like this:

signal = [high, medium, low]
lowpass = signal - [high]

then, we take the inverted original signal and add it to the lowpass part. this is of course a subtraction, -1*a + b == b - a

so we get:

highpass = lowpass - signal
or,
highpass = [high, medium, low] - [medium, low]

when i first learned about this type of math many years ago, i was extremely surprised. it is so elegant that you can think of frequency in this way. if you have a signal with low frequencies, and a signal with high frequencies, and you take a single sample slice out of those signals, you can really do any math operation on them and get the result you would expect, assuming phase is correct. its really interesting, you should experiment with different things and you'll learn some interesting facts. very useful things to know while mixing.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:42 am

If you try this with PLParEQ1, it's really interesting. A low pass becomes a hi pass, and vice versa.

There is something wrong if your original and cloned/inverted tracks don't initially sum to perfect silence. If you hear high frequencies, you are hearing the difference between the two tracks. So there is either a high boost or a high cut on the cloned track - or you have a phase shift.

If you try this trick with other effects - like Voxengo Tapebus for example - you can hear some very interesting time-based differences. Tape3 is almost a reverb effect.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:25 am

Kingston wrote:If I get a choice to turn off this artificial "brown sound" in a piece of gear, I will.

Is this the Kingston I know?!

Or did I wake up in an alternate universe again?

Sorry, that one I just couldn't resist

JMH

Rev. Jem · Post by **Rev. Jem** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am

jens wrote:I'm quite sure it won't...

Me too. Over half a century & I can still make a bag of hammers look like Einstein. Thanks for your earlier post. Laugh ? Never thought the old Y-fronts would dry !

Thanks to greendoor for starting a provocative topic & to those who discussed it well.

First prize to the poster who corrected someone's grammar whilst demonstrating the most appalling spelling... excellent irony there, fellah !

If nothing else, this thread showed me how music can still attract fiercely left-brained people.

Me ? If it sounds good, I use it. If not... I might still use it...

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