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Reverse Engineer wrote:If someone could point out in simple terms the benefits of *nix over windows then you're likely to get (more) people to listen. So far not one single point has been made that gives *nix any added credibility.

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Apps? :lol: Maybe if you're into retro.
Umm, this isn't a bake-off, use whatever makes you happy and productive. I mainly use Windows and windows audio apps myself. But it's cool, to some of us anyway, to look at what's available elsewhere, and the open-source sphere is particularly interesting, and likely to become more mainstream in future.

Since you asked, here's why I personally find Linux interesting and it's current (or potential) advantages. YMMV.
- it's free (GNU/Linux, BSD)
- the majority of the world's webservers are *nix boxes. Hard to argue with that as proof of reliability.
- the list of available free apps for Linux is approaching the variety and quality of commercial apps for the commercial operating systems (eg office suites, graphics, audio). You can actually get work done in Linux. Many goverments and corporations are moving to open-source.
- the latest Linux works better than the latest commercial OS's on older hardware. More life from old hardware.
- the planning behind Linux and the open-source methodology has resulted in a very stable, secure OS. Less stupid vulnerabilities.
- the open-source methodology has so far proved to be faster and more responsive in fixing bugs and vulnerabilities.
- open-source by definition provides open standards; less chance of getting locked into proprietary formats and protocols
- (political) It's eye opening and inspiring to find out that something of quality and value can be developed through cooperation from people all over the world, motivated mostly out of their desire to contribute to something. It's nice to find out that it doesn't always require money and patents and blind self-interest to achieve something. Gives one hope...
- it's fun. We all know from the forums here how cool it is to be able to interact with the makers of software (eg talking to Jules about Tracktion), to see your bugs fixed quickly, to have your suggestions accepted and implemented. Open-source takes it one step further - now you can contribute directly as much as you are able, from commenting and beta-testing right through to writing parts of the apps yourself.

If you think the Linux apps are all retro, you probably haven't tried them recently. Try Gimp for graphics, try Ardour and Rosegarden for audio/sequencing.

As I said before, use what you like and be happy. If you have tried Linux for audio, and you have some constructive criticism about it, let's hear it.

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kenn wrote:
Reverse Engineer wrote:If someone could point out in simple terms the benefits of *nix over windows then you're likely to get (more) people to listen. So far not one single point has been made that gives *nix any added credibility.

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Apps? :lol: Maybe if you're into retro.
Umm, this isn't a bake-off, use whatever makes you happy and productive. I mainly use Windows and windows audio apps myself. But it's cool, to some of us anyway, to look at what's available elsewhere, and the open-source sphere is particularly interesting, and likely to become more mainstream in future.

Since you asked, here's why I personally find Linux interesting and it's current (or potential) advantages. YMMV.
- it's free (GNU/Linux, BSD)
- the majority of the world's webservers are *nix boxes. Hard to argue with that as proof of reliability.
- the list of available free apps for Linux is approaching the variety and quality of commercial apps for the commercial operating systems (eg office suites, graphics, audio). You can actually get work done in Linux. Many goverments and corporations are moving to open-source.
- the latest Linux works better than the latest commercial OS's on older hardware. More life from old hardware.
- the planning behind Linux and the open-source methodology has resulted in a very stable, secure OS. Less stupid vulnerabilities.
- the open-source methodology has so far proved to be faster and more responsive in fixing bugs and vulnerabilities.
- open-source by definition provides open standards; less chance of getting locked into proprietary formats and protocols
- (political) It's eye opening and inspiring to find out that something of quality and value can be developed through cooperation from people all over the world, motivated mostly out of their desire to contribute to something. It's nice to find out that it doesn't always require money and patents and blind self-interest to achieve something. Gives one hope...
- it's fun. We all know from the forums here how cool it is to be able to interact with the makers of software (eg talking to Jules about Tracktion), to see your bugs fixed quickly, to have your suggestions accepted and implemented. Open-source takes it one step further - now you can contribute directly as much as you are able, from commenting and beta-testing right through to writing parts of the apps yourself.

If you think the Linux apps are all retro, you probably haven't tried them recently. Try Gimp for graphics, try Ardour and Rosegarden for audio/sequencing.

As I said before, use what you like and be happy. If you have tried Linux for audio, and you have some constructive criticism about it, let's hear it.
The part about old hardware is pretty true, *nix does seem to be designed for hardware that's a few years old.

Take my speedtouch 330 adsl modem for example, it's a number of years old now, and still has no automatic support from ANY *nix distro (and yes, aside from "pay for" ones, i've tried them all...from dsl thru to suse via ubuntu etc.) There IS a workaround though, and like i said, this is one of the pieces of hardware that needs to have *nix specific firmware installed to make it work, rendering it useless under windows.

another issue is all the distros that are around. It's like every twat with a little knowledge about compiling wants to have his own out there. Open source is a great asset to the computing world in every respect, but i don't believe for a minute that it develops any faster than closed source....take a look at some of the open source apps you see around here, they're still buggy as hell and, although great at what they do, are EXTREMELY unreliable (zynaddsubfx for example, yeah, it's just recently been vst'd so to speak, but it's a piece of shit as far as useability/stability goes.) The majority of what people use and rely on are closed source.

The gimp.....compared to photoshop / paint shop pro it's MS paint+. Open Office......f**king hell, don't we love the java, and how lovely of it to hose almost any *.doc that you save with it.

what i asked for were benefits, bot bullshit.

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Unix Lover wrote: If you think the Linux apps are all retro, you probably haven't tried them recently. Try Gimp for graphics, try Ardour and Rosegarden for audio/sequencing.
Yes, Im working with ardour and rosegarden. Yes, they are RETRO and Crap! And "NO" to "studio to go" - "NO" to all non-free greedy distros!

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Reverse Engineer wrote:If someone could point out in simple terms the benefits of *nix over windows then you're likely to get (more) people to listen. So far not one single point has been made that gives *nix any added credibility.

As for hardware that uses *nix as an OS, that's such a moot point it's not even worth bringing up, just like it's not worth bringing up the fact that there's a lot of hardware (especially in the mobile/pda world) that uses windows as its OS. but we're talking fully fledged computers here, not pieces of hardware that need minimal instruction and 0 need for the code to be flexible.

cost? How many people actually "bought" their version of windows? Unless you build your own system, then you're more or less gauranteed to have windows on it anyway, plus you can get an OEM version for next to nothing, so cost isn't an issue.

Hardware compatability? Don't make me laugh. Some hardware actually needs the firmware itself to be modified so it'll work on a *nix comp rendering dual booting a complete waste of time, unless you're prepared to change the firmware depending on what OS you're using.

Ease of use? Someone said their "mom" could run suse. Well, mines couldn't, but she sure can run windows fine.

Apps? :lol: Maybe if you're into retro.

i just found this so amusing that i figured i would quote it for those that missed it. :lol:
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I work with various flavours of UNIX all day, every day. I like the idea of a Linux-based DAW; but can very easily live without it.

Until the day there's a free, open-source host as good as FL Studio for Linux, forget it. Linux can stick to running Apache and some obscure version of something by Oracle; I'll stick to Windows.
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Reverse Engineer wrote:The gimp.....compared to photoshop / paint shop pro it's MS paint+.
I used to think that; having given it a fair shot it's actually very good.

Photoshop CS = ~£370
GIMP = Free

And don't talk to me about Photoshop Elements; it's for children. There was an app on the Sega Megadrive years ago called 'Art Alive' which was basically electronic potato printing (with lower resolution) - it just reminds me of that. :hihi:
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Danny Darko wrote: And don't talk to me about Photoshop Elements; it's for children. There was an app on the Sega Megadrive years ago called 'Art Alive' which was basically electronic potato printing (with lower resolution) - it just reminds me of that. :hihi:
huh?

:nutter:

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I'm an Ardour and Rosegarden user as well using DeMuDi and using the fluxbox desktop makes it lean and fast. :)

Some info that may help:

First system: athlon 2500xp 1gb ram, dual boot with 2 drives udma 133 winxp and demudi. With a radeon vid card and an audiphile 24/96 card it has no problems. Works in open gl and so far rock solid. Running at 5ms latency.

Second system: Athlon 2400xp 512mb ram, dual boot win98 and demudi, single drive udma 100, has a Nforce 2 chipset, radeon card and on board nforce2 ac97 sound. That works perfectly too. It don't like the Nforce graphic cards though, but I think you can get drivers for it. Running at 10ms latency.

No problems on setup and it also found and configured the ethnet adsl router.

Problems...no fat32 support so no streaming from another disk. :(
Can't compile on it either.


Perhaps *nix has on advantage in that it will take as much memory as you can throw at it, I don't think it has a memory limit like windows. It runs in native mode, but I don't know if that makes a diff.
Using vsti in standalone mode makes it great for a realtime jamming session.


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fake,

Went to your vst-linux info page. Very useful. Thanks.

Since you're a DeMuDi user, I'd be very interested in your opinion of the musix distro.

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Thanks kenn. :)

I will have a looksee.

For some reason I was getting musix mixed up with studio64 and thought it was the 64bit trial. :dog:

Downloading, glad to see it gives the option of live or install.

Oooo, :) just notice it also includes Sean Bolton's new WhySynth. 8)

Thanks, and sorry to all if this may be a bit off topic.

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Reverse Engineer wrote:
The gimp.....compared to photoshop / paint shop pro it's MS paint+. Open Office......fkucing hell, don't we love the java, and how lovely of it to hose almost any *.doc that you save with it.

what i asked for were benefits, bot bullshit.


not trying to be brash, but I guess you and I have had different experiences with oss. Ive been very happy with the apps you listed. I use both win and oss often....Im still hooked on win for audio apps, but so far Ive seen nothing but cool stuff getting better with oss. Its also a fresh idea to escape the paid upgrade path just to stay current, yeah and Im not a fan C/R software either, oss seems to give me more control over my software with less trouble(ie never having to prove Im a legit user when I just wanna make tunes). but hey thats just my thoughts. by all means we all have different needs.

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Reverse Engineer wrote:The gimp.....compared to photoshop / paint shop pro it's MS paint+.
Pig's arse! The GIMP is very well featured and has a far better workflow than Photoshop. I haven't doen speed tests in several years but it was always slightly slower but never so much as to less than completely usable. As a professional graphic artist, I will happily use The GIMP for the rest of my days, once the Xara eXtreme Linux port is complete.
Open Office......fkucing hell, don't we love the java, and how lovely of it to hose almost any *.doc that you save with it.
I just finished editing 1300 pages of MS Word .doc's in Open Office [on Win32] and never lost a thing. It worked very well for me.

For me, there are several compelling reasons that I keep returning to Linux:
- Its not Windoze
- It costs substantially less [and I have paid for every, single version of Windows I have ever installed on any one of my computers, as well as boxed copies of most Linux distro's that I have used]
- It is far more customisable to my eclectic tastes
- It has never crashed on me. Ever.
- It uses measurably fewer system resources. e.g. WindowMaker, my preferred GUI, uses around 4Mb of RAM compared to WinXP using well over 100Mb.
- It doesn't contain Windoze Explorer
- Its just so damned cool once you get it just the way you want it.
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seq24 is a nice loop based sequencer. ardour is cool for audio. the newest VST solution xfst is very very good and works with the latest wine 0.9 get it here:

http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz (http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz)

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Reverse Engineer wrote: Ease of use? Someone said their "mom" could run suse. Well, mines couldn't, but she sure can run windows fine.
My mom programmed z80 assembly language on a CP/M kaypro. She has always hated windows, though.

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