It would be nice if Slicer settings could also be saved within different arrangements even though the arrangements utilize the same files set in the loop menu.
So say i have arrangement one and arrangement two utilize the same 8 files i have set in the "loops" menu. Arrangement one has a beats setting of 14 and arrangement two has a beats setting of 4, right now in order for me to do this, i have to load the same 8 files twice into the "loops" menu. With my request, all one has to do is copy one arrangement into another arrangement slot below and then make the adjustments.
Would be quicker.
FR: Saving slicer settings within arrangements
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- KVRian
- 1263 posts since 15 Jun, 2004 from hamburg
tbh i don't get what you mean..
why do you have to load the loops twice to use them in arrangements with different amount of beats? i never had to do that.
or do you mean that the loops are sliced differently?
if so, i'm not sure if it's a good idea to save slice-marks along with the arrangement.. could make it very complex and not too clear which slices can be used in which view.
why do you have to load the loops twice to use them in arrangements with different amount of beats? i never had to do that.
or do you mean that the loops are sliced differently?
if so, i'm not sure if it's a good idea to save slice-marks along with the arrangement.. could make it very complex and not too clear which slices can be used in which view.
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
Actually the earliest betas experimented with having several different slice settings per. loop. It worked pretty good, but it complicated the gui, so I left it out because you could do the same by loading the files several times.
I always have to consider that what makes the use of liveslice a little bit easier for one person might make it confusing for a lot of others.
I always have to consider that what makes the use of liveslice a little bit easier for one person might make it confusing for a lot of others.
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1127 posts since 18 Mar, 2005
Hmmm... I'm confused about where the confusion would lie with the gui.
Basically, let's say one single arrangement has 8 files and they are ALL set to a specific slice/beat setting. This arrangement is saved on one thumbnail within the grid. Now using the same files, you make a different slice/ beat setting for ALL the tracks within the arrangement and save it to a second thumbnail within the grid.
Triggering each thumbnail would produce the custom slice/beat settings accordingly. Currently, this can be done by loading the files multiple times (in this example they would each be loaded TWICE).
My FR is to make this possible by having to load each file only ONCE. Everything else would be the same except when triggering a thumbnail, both the arrangement and slicer display accordingly.
Basically, let's say one single arrangement has 8 files and they are ALL set to a specific slice/beat setting. This arrangement is saved on one thumbnail within the grid. Now using the same files, you make a different slice/ beat setting for ALL the tracks within the arrangement and save it to a second thumbnail within the grid.
Triggering each thumbnail would produce the custom slice/beat settings accordingly. Currently, this can be done by loading the files multiple times (in this example they would each be loaded TWICE).
My FR is to make this possible by having to load each file only ONCE. Everything else would be the same except when triggering a thumbnail, both the arrangement and slicer display accordingly.
Give me freedom or give me television
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- KVRAF
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
how much is liveslice for people in the us?
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
introduction price translates to about 48 bucks atm. - according to http://www.xe.com/ucc/how much is liveslice for people in the us?
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
now back to the slice question. I agree with R.A.W. in that most people would be confused by having a slice set pr. arrangement. Most users use just one set of slices pr. file - they would be changing the slices on arrangement 1 and then be surprised to find the slices on arrangement 2 had not changed.
What you suggest would require users to slice the same file 24 times to create 24 arrangements, actually.
Now what I tried was to allow you to have 8 sets of slices pr. file, and toggle between them in the slicer, I never used the feature, and neither did any of my beta testers, so we left it out because the whole concept of "slice sets" were hard to grasp. Perhaps this was mainly due to the gui design I chose (a tabbed view with one tab for each set) - it took too much attention for a uncommonly used feature. I could probably revive it at a little number-box allowing you to choose between slice sets.
My todo list is already pretty full though, so I'm not making any immediate promises - Pharaoh or not, you are the only one who ever requested this feature.
What you suggest would require users to slice the same file 24 times to create 24 arrangements, actually.
Now what I tried was to allow you to have 8 sets of slices pr. file, and toggle between them in the slicer, I never used the feature, and neither did any of my beta testers, so we left it out because the whole concept of "slice sets" were hard to grasp. Perhaps this was mainly due to the gui design I chose (a tabbed view with one tab for each set) - it took too much attention for a uncommonly used feature. I could probably revive it at a little number-box allowing you to choose between slice sets.
My todo list is already pretty full though, so I'm not making any immediate promises - Pharaoh or not, you are the only one who ever requested this feature.
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRian
- 1263 posts since 15 Jun, 2004 from hamburg
Pharaoh, now i understand and i think that your idea is nice.
but, as ohm already stated, it's uncommon and as you can have different slices on the same wav-data by loading it several times, you can already do what you want to accomplish.
afair, ohm and i once mailed about the loading of the same loop which uses more memory, and ohm came up with the idea to only use the memory once but having different slices per loop-slot.
i think that this idea would be the perfect compromise for your FR and keeping the ease and usability for the majority of the users.
but, as ohm already stated, it's uncommon and as you can have different slices on the same wav-data by loading it several times, you can already do what you want to accomplish.
afair, ohm and i once mailed about the loading of the same loop which uses more memory, and ohm came up with the idea to only use the memory once but having different slices per loop-slot.
i think that this idea would be the perfect compromise for your FR and keeping the ease and usability for the majority of the users.
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
Forgot about the memory sharing thing - that's definately an option. I'll implement shift-select too anyways so it'll be: select 8 loops, clone them, slice them independently (pretty simple).
I can always increase the 64 loops limitation if it doesn't suffice.
I can always increase the 64 loops limitation if it doesn't suffice.
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1127 posts since 18 Mar, 2005
I'll implement shift-select too anyways so it'll be: select 8 loops, clone them, slice them independently (pretty simple).
I'm laughing cause i just realized how much of a lazy ass I am.
yeah, the above would definitely make it quicker.
I agree with both of you. Not to drag the FR but as something to consider for the future:Most users use just one set of slices pr. file - they would be changing the slices on arrangement 1 and then be surprised to find the slices on arrangement 2 had not changed.
What you suggest would require users to slice the same file 24 times to create 24 arrangements, actually.
R. click a thumbnail, unghost arrangement (ala EXT's sequencer tracks). Now the files can run independent for this specific arrangement.
So you load the files, make an arrangement, save to a thumbnail, copy to another thumbnail and unless you right click and unghost, they will all operate globally.
Give me freedom or give me television
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- KVRian
- 1263 posts since 15 Jun, 2004 from hamburg
though i think that this again is a nice idea, it would be too hidden to be really used (except for you of courseFormer Pharaoh wrote:R. click a thumbnail, unghost arrangement (ala EXT's sequencer tracks). Now the files can run independent for this specific arrangement.
So you load the files, make an arrangement, save to a thumbnail, copy to another thumbnail and unless you right click and unghost, they will all operate globally.
).i think the cloning inside the loops-list is the best and most obvious (intuitive) solution for this issue.
btw. i recently tried eXT and when i first used the sequencer, duplicated a midi-part and transposed it, my first thought was "wtf??? why is the first part now transposed as well?"... until i found the un-ghost.
that's why i think it's not as intuitive as cloning in the list.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1127 posts since 18 Mar, 2005
Yeah i admit the ghosting of midi parts threw me off the 1st time as well. It's a really great Ext feature IMO.
Anyways, the cloning will do the trick to satiate my lazy ass
Anyways, the cloning will do the trick to satiate my lazy ass
Give me freedom or give me television