ST2.1 release in October

[Amberience]

Two dicks in an Ipod I see.

[jack-the-pipe]

Two dicks in an Ipod I see.

explain that ingenious comment

[SaviorNeeded]

"And whomever is praising the fact that the master volume is now at a hearable level should be viciously slapped with the cardboard box."

Explain that one.

Tom

[jack-the-pipe]

"And whomever is praising the fact that the master volume is now at a hearable level should be viciously slapped with the cardboard box."

Explain that one.

Tom

The default volume in 2.0 was set at 64. Everyone complained because in order to sufficiently hear ST you would always raise it to 100+. Now that the volume is defaulted at a respectable level, there are people thanking IK like it is some ground breaking new feature. Whether it is to convince themselves that this was a worthy update or whatever the reason, it shouldnt even be mentioned. Explained.

[Amberience]

Two dicks in an Ipod I see.

explain that ingenious comment

Explain my thoughts to a lower lifeform? Blah.. buy my book if you want to know.

[SaviorNeeded]

Yeah, I'm the people that thanked Squids. I'm totally not looking for a fight here, jack-the-pipe, but I really do appreciate the several improvements that 2.X brings. If I had to pay for it, I'd be unhappy--but it's free and, as I said before, I seem to have got it working well on my system. Having said all this, however--I am hoping IK will work quickly to address issues that any and all users have. (Wishful thinking, I know.)

Tom

[jack-the-pipe]

lower lifeform? Because i have opinions when an update was not only pastdue but the new features still arent working? dont even explain yourself. Your a fkin idiot. Lower lifeform... get a life and stick up for something better. Stop trying to sound intelligent. Buy your own fkin book. No one cares.

[SaviorNeeded]

And how are things in London, Andrew?

Tom

[Amberience]

Pretty good. Meeting a lot of queens.

[Squids]

Guys, everyone is entitled to their opiniion. Please be friendly to one another.

Okay, now you son of a bitch who said... just kidding. By the way, I don't actually MAKE SampleTank so I can't "go back to work on it". I just make sounds for it dude. But, anyway, being a sound developer I can appreciate that this is one hell of an update! Not EVERYTHING is on the surface. The three engines have been improved dramatically and I am not talking about the volume knob default! I am talking about increased quality playback in the resampling engine, more capabilities with both the PS/TS and Stretch engines. This is seriously advanced stuff! If you don't use it then it is your loss but I sure do! How many people either want to get realistic bends, glides or alter the time of their instruments? How many people want more parameters to easily twist their playable sounds into unusual new exotic creations suitable for IDM, film scoring, rock, R&B or various dance styles, ambient or avant garde music? Who knows? It's there and it is up to those people! If you can't appreciate that technology then you're missing half the fun with this thing! IMHO anyway.

Other convenient features like double the amount of outputs, splits, velocity range splits for combis, syncable lfos, stand alone... these are all useful functions that are nice to get for free. Yes, let's not forget! It is FREE so how can you complain? It's also OPTIONAL! Don't use it if you don't like it. Stick with your ST2.0 Nothing wrong with that. By the way, it doesn't take up much space at all to have them both on your machine. I know that the number "2.1" is deceiving. This could have been called something higher but that's just superficial anyway. The bottom line is that it really is a significant upgrade especially under the hood with the engines. It sounds BETTER and does more things... for free.

By the way, it does have scroll wheel support. So, I don't know why you guys are saying it doesn't do scroll in FL and Live but I'd like to investigate that one to know for sure what the deal is there. Maybe that is something that can be corrected. Also, a few issues with compatibility might be corrected as well (such as ability to read SS2 combis which I know some of you want).

Anyway, also, this is not the last update you'll ever see on ST so it doesn't mean that other requests from users won't happen at some point in time. If people are at least friendly around here and not aggressive and nasty then I am willing to listen to requests and lobby for features in updates. Again, I don't MAKE ST so I can only talk to the powers that be (which I do all the time for you guys you know... how do you think scroll wheel support made it into this at all? hmm?).

I will do some videos showing how cool this update is. In the meantime, keep your eyes out for a new video that I did that is going on line this week on www.philharmonik.com I go through some of the new engine features there since Philharmonik has the new Stretch. It might make some people rethink how useful that really is. It is a gem in the right hands.

Squids out. Peace!

[The Beatsmith]

sigh. come on guys. just cos someone doesn't like the update doesn't make them a 'lower lifeform'. thanks for the insult andrew. very helpful

and there's no need to start cussing and swearing back at them

point is, you gotta admit, this is a bit of a lame duck update. they made such a big deal about it for such a long time. you must be able to see jack-the-pipes point - fixing a problem which shouldn't exist doesn't deserve praise in my opinion.

i can't be bothered repeating the bugs/points i posted - they will just be ignored again i expect

as of now - it's useless to me, ****there is no multitimbral AU in logic pro 7**** - it doesn't exist!

this has actually taken features away from the sampletank 2.09 rather than added to it. i'll keep using that until this gets fixed.

i do feel 'lied to' however, about this update. it can't have taken a year to do this. i'm a audio software developer myself - this is a quick hack job. ok there might be great programming under the hood re: new stretch engine - some people might care about stretch features - i don't. i care about a half decent browser and way of working. sampletank 2.1xl does not have this, in my opinion.

even if the update made the sounds 'the best in the world ever'(tm) - who cares when the browser is so small and fiddly, and it's so hard to navigate? no point in esounds making the best samples in the world if it's so hard to get to them.

i am really disappointed and all this update does is make me percieve ikmultimedia as very, very amateur - in comparison to native instruments, or motu (mach 5) etc.

very disappointing

edit: and squids - no mate, scroll wheel support does not work on my system. it's not rocket science - place mouse over window, scroll wheel. nothing happens... it works in other plugins - i can't see why ikmultimedia have been so incompetant in this respect.

[The Beatsmith]

oh by the way: i'm running a g4 powermac os 10.4.3, logic pro 7.1.1, all fully updated.

[Frunobulax]

oh by the way: i'm running a g4 powermac os 10.4.3, logic pro 7.1.1, all fully updated.

Have you contacted IK's tech support about the problems you are experiencing?

[Squids]

Beatsmith, you are a developer but this is amateur? Just because you don't like stretch doesn't mean it is a hack. It is very complex, so much so that you don't even see other sample players having such a tool. Right? So, what the heck are you talking about man? I can understand if you are disappointed if the update doesn't have the specific features YOU were looking for. But, claiming you were LIED to? Did IK announce something different? I don't think so. These features have been announced for a while and although it took a lot of time to finally get this, ehem, FREE update out there are no surprises except good ones (which is listening to it and playing with it to see how great it sounds and what new things it can do that very few if any other VSTis can with the same results).

Look, you can't please everyone. There are always people who will complain about even a FREE update and also insult the company that made it, even making unfounded claims that they are amateur (when in fact, IK is one of the leading software plug-in manufacturers so they must be doing something right). I don't know where some people come from saying these things. But, it's not like I am new to KVR. I've seen it all.

All I can say is, try to see the bright side (Monty Python tune comes to mind ). Worste case scenario is you stick with your ST2.0 until the NEXT update if that has the features you're hoping to get. As I said earlier, if people are at least courteous and friendly around here I'd even listen to them and investigate personally into some of these things and see what possibilities there are for them to happen. That's kind of the way it has always been around here in this forum though. A cool vibe and people who WANT to get the most out of the sample players Sonic Reality supports (oh yeah, and this is the freaking Sonic Reality forum let's not forget... we make SOUNDS! Please read our "welcome to the Sonic Reality forum" sticky for those that don't understand).

[Squids]

edit: and squids - no mate, scroll wheel support does not work on my system. it's not rocket science - place mouse over window, scroll wheel. nothing happens... it works in other plugins - i can't see why ikmultimedia have been so incompetant in this respect.

Dude, seriously, you need to read the "Welcome to Sonic Reality forum" and the rules. Making damaging remarks about companies SR works with is not okay here. It is possible to say what you want to say without adding in the bad attitude and claims of "incomeptence" or "hack" etc. Be respecful please. We can only assume that people who try to do this are sabatoge and possibly even the competition. Normally we will even have to moderate heavier than this (ie, yes, delete your post etc.). I don't LIKE to do that because people misunderstand and think I only allow happy postive comments to be said here. Not true. But, please read our forum rules and then you'll understand (if you care) what is cool and not cool in our COMPANY forum. Our COMPANY (sound company, not IK, this is a SONIC REALITY forum... that does third party sound support for SampleTank) forum.

Is that clear? Look, if you don't understand or care then expect to be moderated with the same lack of care. It goes both ways guys. But most of you know that.

Now i have to go. Please be friendly to one another and respectful.