ST2.1 release in October

[The Beatsmith]

squids mate, the facts of the matter are: that there is no MULTI-OUT instrument in logic pro. i can only have a stereo instrument. what's the point in a multitimbral instrument like sampletank if there is no MULTI OUTS. there is NO SCROLL WHEEL SUPPORT. you can say it works for you - but not for me.

the stand alone mode is useless as the notes stick. the browser is still sub par. can't you see that in my scenario, it's got LESS features than before? plus, it's still way too cpu intensive than it needs to be. i'm playing a simple string patch but it's using up 25% of my cpu (1.4ghz g4 - not the fastest i admit, but EXS24 is still MUCH more efficient - try importing an akai library into both and see which comes out on top).

these are obviously show stopping problems in my opinion - no? and i don't really think they are defendable, either.

i have to stick with 2.09 and you expect me to be HAPPY with this update? i've been waiting a YEAR for this update, and you are basically telling me to shut up and not complain as it's free.

i've paid for sampletank just like everyone else has, so why shouldn't i be able to use it? and why shouldn't i be allowed to voice my opinion when - for me at least - it's absolutely useless?

there is NO WAY this is on par with kontakt 2. the only way it's in the same league is price wise.

seeing as the software does not work the software on apples flagship (and the mac platforms most popular) sequencer doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that they spent a lot of time testing this (on this plaform).

i've tried it on my work imac and my studio's powermac. there is no way they tested the software on a mac running logic. i am sure of this - the biggest giveaway is that there's no multi out instrument when you try to insert it in logic - it only exists for the old sampletank.

cheers - i hope you can understand my point - and i don't think being told to shut up because it's free is fair to be honest.

eddie

[The Beatsmith]

edit: and squids - no mate, scroll wheel support does not work on my system. it's not rocket science - place mouse over window, scroll wheel. nothing happens... it works in other plugins - i can't see why ikmultimedia have been so incompetant in this respect.

Dude, seriously, you need to read the "Welcome to Sonic Reality forum" and the rules. Making damaging remarks about companies SR works with is not okay here. It is possible to say what you want to say without adding in the bad attitude and claims of "incomeptence" or "hack" etc. Be respecful please. We can only assume that people who try to do this are sabatoge and possibly even the competition. Normally we will even have to moderate heavier than this (ie, yes, delete your post etc.). I don't LIKE to do that because people misunderstand and think I only allow happy postive comments to be said here. Not true. But, please read our forum rules and then you'll understand (if you care) what is cool and not cool in our COMPANY forum. Our COMPANY (sound company, not IK, this is a SONIC REALITY forum... that does third party sound support for SampleTank) forum.

Is that clear? Look, if you don't understand or care then expect to be moderated with the same lack of care. It goes both ways guys. But most of you know that.

Now i have to go. Please be friendly to one another and respectful.

i think we just have to disagree here. i do not believe that i was being rude at all mate.

if they had fixed the problem - i wouldn't have had a problem. and such a simple problem too.

sorry if any offence is caused - but how can you give me a 'slap on the wrists' but not the guy who called me a 'dick'?

i think i've been pretty civil, no?

thanks

[Amberience]

Hey, I wasn't being mean, I was just trying to be funny. I thought the "book" comment would've made that obvious

Nobody is a lowerlife form. Better?

[beergeek]

Beatsmith...the dude makes SOUNDS...not the software.

He's taken a lot of his personal time to have this discourse with you. He's running a company, making sounds and (from what I gather) at least directing how other products are being produced. AND he's answering your posts!

Don't like the frequency response on your cd player in your Ford? Does Bill Ford answer you personally? Can you even ask him personally? Does he give a $hit what you say in any way, shape or form?

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be disappointed in the update and btw, neither did Squids.

But give the guy a fcuking break...he's trying to make some money, music and have us do the same...

Everybody lighten up...this is software

(He says putting his flame-proof suit on)



[edit: can't spell worth a damn]

[The Beatsmith]

hey... i never had a go at squids, did i? i never said 'squids! why haven't you fixed the software?!?'?

but this is a sonic reality AND SAMPLETANK forum - (re: 'welcome to the sonic reality and sampletank forum' thread) and so it's hardly out of place to talk about sampletank in here, now, is it?

and far from me to have a go at squids et al - the fact that sonic reality are involved in the new soundset is the only thing that is keeping me from throwing ST2 in the bin altogether, to be honest.

i don't need to give the guy a break, cos i was never... uh, whatever the opposite of giving a guy a break is!

cheers

[Squids]

I think there's some confusion going on here. First, you are right Beatsmith was not the person who was mistaking that I make ST. That was someone else's post. I was making that comment in general just to remind people that I am not the software developer of this product although we are involved from the sound angle and make suggestions all the time, especially ones based on the feedback I like to get around here... as long as it is constructive and not DESCTRUCTIVE if you know what I mean. I try to make that understood. By the way, I don't tell anyone to shut up. I ask that people are polite and respectful around here. It doesn't hurt to be friendly and I even remind myself of this too. None of us are perfect and sometimes we cross the line a little in what we say.

We are all entitled to our own opinion good or bad. I can understand Beatsmith's frustration personally on his system. The thing to do in that situation is to contact IK tech support and let them figure out what the deal is. Maybe there is a bug that can get fixed, maybe there is an issue with that system in one way or another. This kind of stuff can happen. The important thing is for IK to be able to identify the issue and either solve the problem for individuals with tech support or to fix the issue some other way. Obviously if something worked in ST2.0 that doesn't in ST2.1 then there is a good chance that it will be resolved one way or another. I have Logic myself so maybe I will test it and see. I tend to use Cubase on my PC more. But, I can fire it up and see as soon as I can because I am curious myself.

As for the scroll wheel working... I am not saying "scroll wheel is working for me", I am saying that scroll wheel is working for a variety of formats. (Although the irony about any Mac user complaining about it is that a Mac's mouse doesn't even HAVE a scroll!! Doh! ).Anyway, if it isn't working in certain ones specifically then I'd like to know which and see if we can find out why and if there is a way for it to work. That'd be constructive. You guys wanted this feature so bad and I really pushed hard for you to be able to get it. There may be some limitations on which set ups it can work in though without conflict with host apps, however, like I said we should check it out and see before we judge so quickly and harshly! No?

I'm sorry but this is free update whether anyone has been waiting a year for it or not. It has a lot of great advances in the technology it uses and convenience features. If there are some bugs in particular formats then I am sure it will get worked out as soon as possible. In the meantime, tech support should be hearing this directly from users. Let's not try to use the SR company forum as the venting frustation center or the IK tech support place. We talk about ST2 because we want to get the most out of it and even possibly from a sound aspect! (SR's territory).

Oh and finally, I did address in general to everyone to play nice and the first thing I said was that after the name calling began. You guys calling each other names is a different liability for us than people using our forum as a platform for smearing the name of companies SR works with though! It's all relative. I am very upfront about the delicate politics of running a third party company forum like this one. I tell you guys a LOT of inside information to give you a feeling of being closer and knowing the how, what, when of products we do sounds for. If you can appreciate that kind of thing then you can really enjoy this forum. It is the oldest company forum here you know (besides the original Dash one). It has also been one of the most popular. There's a reason for that! Most of the time the vibe is really great around here and it it'd be nice to keep it that way.

Me and my friggin' mega posts. Have fun guys. Enjoy ST2.1 if you are able, enjoy life. It is too short as it is.

[The Beatsmith]

thanks for the post

i should just add that - obviously - i have posted my problems to ikmultimedia, and i did that before i went into my main big rant.

(but, i did do that on more than one occation a good few months ago, and none of the issues have been resolved from that either. oh well.)

cheers

(edit: i did also post my system specs and details of the problems earlier)

[BERFAB]

Squids-
I can't stop messing around with the new ST 2.1 engine. This thing rocks. Quick start up, sounds load in a flash, and no crashing. Heck, the scroll-mouse function alone is worth the price of admission. And the stand-alone feature is a nice touch. Can't wait for the sounds disc!

One question: Is Sonik Synth 2 going to get an engine upgrade now that ST 2.1 is out? The low CPU really makes a huge difference. ST is now back as my 'go to' plug.

Really nice work, guys.

-Bernie

Listen dude, why dont you go get back to work and make this thing useful and stop trying to mislead us here in the forum. Take off your mask. We know who you are. You arent fooling anyone.

And what the hell would it matter if SS2 was going to get updated. The sounds and combis should work in ST2.1 you ass.

Not that it matters, but for the record, I'm just a guy who likes to fool around in my basement studio on the weekends. I'm not a pro--and I'm certainly not a shill for IK or Squids. In fact, I haven't even bought any gear (yet) from eSoundz. I just like the products. They are easy to use and sound good.

I have plenty of experience with all the latest slice 'n dice programs, as well as over 25 years of experience dealing with what is now referred to as 'vintage' gear. I've owned every flagship sampler Ensoniq ever made and I've spent more late nights than I care to count trying to implement the latest workaround techniques to overcome the shortcomings of the technology of the day. In the process, I've learned that it is very easy to waste time on the technology when I should be making music.

My point? If you don't like any of the IK products, there are certainly many others that you could choose from. So get something else and move on. And if you're so damn smart, then why don't you get SynthEdit or SynthMaker or Reaktor and build your own?

Finally, I'm quite aware that SS2's sounds load into ST2.1. I already have many of the SS2 banks in ST. But SS2 was conceived as a closed system synth emulation, and I'd like to stay consistent with that. So an SS2 upgrade would be nice.


Flame away...

[Squids]

Uh, yeah, I don't know who Berfab is. Some of you guys are a little harsh, accusational and judgemental. I just saw that JTP called Berf an ass. At least the dick in the ipod was supposed to be a joke (not that I got it though... some kind of play on words with two peas in a pod or something?). Anyway, again, let's not resort to name calling. Okay, you f***ing bas***ds? (lighten up Francis... name the movie).

Cheers.

PS. Berfola, how can we get you to be an esoundz customer?

[dgkenney]

(lighten up Francis... name the movie).

Cheers.

Anybody worth their Stripes should get that one.

Dan

[Caleb]

Oh - thanks for the very big hint dgkenney. I now not even remember the movie but can remember the scene distinctly. I really liked that movie (sicko that I am).

Caleb

[MacButch]

You know, I rarely post here (see post count) but I've been here for a bit (see joining date) and I've been a customer of esoundsz for most of that time. It's disappointing to see you guys having a go at a free update. You're entitled to this now? This is something you were owed - in addition to what you originally paid for? (I thought not)

I'm not saying Squids is the messiah but he does work hard at making everyone happy and you got this for free! Wheres the bad even if it doesn't work at all? Let's say this again - you did not pay for this.

This is software, it's often late... the worlds biggest software company doesn't make bugfree on-time software... (far from it!)

Caring more about stretch improvements than scrollwheel support... Man! (Wheres Bones when you need him?) I personally care a lot more about how it sounds than whether I can use the scrollwheel (and yes I really really want to be able to use the scrollwheel and I've been well irked by the absence of this in the past). Let's think about what we're doing here? It's not a spreadsheet it's a music app. Well, for the record, my vote goes to sound quality.

From my perspective these things help me make music syncable LFOs, improved resynthesis quality. The scrollwheel is a gimmick compared to this!

[BERFAB]

Uh, yeah, I don't know who Berfab is. Some of you guys are a little harsh, accusational and judgemental. I just saw that JTP called Berf an ass. At least the dick in the ipod was supposed to be a joke (not that I got it though... some kind of play on words with two peas in a pod or something?). Anyway, again, let's not resort to name calling. Okay, you f***ing bas***ds? (lighten up Francis... name the movie).

Cheers.

PS. Berfola, how can we get you to be an esoundz customer?

I most likely will become a customer very soon. You certainly got my attention with the upgrade deals. I'm waiting to see what your new group buy is before I set my budget. So many choices...

Cheers
-B

[bnmoore]

This may not be the proper place for this but I'm still having the same volume related problems with 2.1 that I had with the 2.0.x series. It could be my host but with either the DXi or the VSTi the controller searchback doesn't seem to work with SONAR 4 or 5. Even with controller 7 events in the event list well before the first note-on event the initial volume is not what was set. SONAR seems to save the plug-in state per project and if I open the ST GUI the displayed volume per channel is what was saved but not what is heard. After the ST engine actually plays back the first note everything settles down. My work-around of scrolling through the tracks and striking keys before playback still works. It may mean nothing but no other plug-ins behave like this. (at least in SONAR)

[Rellik]

I'm personally happy with the update (although, I guess, it's because it fixes a pretty bad bug...)

But I see why people are upset. It's not that they don't like the update - it's free, so take it or leave it. I think the reason they're upset is because it looks like IK doesn't really care very much about putting out working software.

I'm not having the kinds of problems that others seem to be having so far, but I can confirm that scroll wheel is not supported in FL or energyXT. The obvious conclusion is "Huh? Does IK only test their software in Cubase SX3 or something? Does IK test their software at all?"

IK has a really big consumer relations/image problem, unfortunately. They're just not the kind of company you feel happy doing business with... you don't feel like they actually care about their users, since the software tends to fail to function correctly in so many common hosts - and they take years to put out updates. That's not the kind of pace a company with software with so many problems should be working at...