God - the demo limitations suck quite a bit for Sonar. I can see why people look for cracked options for trialing rather than the official trial versions.
It's only Sonar4 for a start and you can't even plug-in a VST for testing the integration.
Oh well - should be enough to see if he can get a hang of the workflow I hope.
Caleb
A question for Sonar users...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 25039 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Caleb wrote: Might torture him with a Podium demo as well just in case.
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- KVRAF
- 25039 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
I have to disagree here - the Producer version adds incredible bang for the bucks for anyone - if it is Sonar for him he really should go with the XL er - the Producer version if he can afford it!Caleb wrote: If it's Sonar it won't be the Producer version. It will take him too long to see the real benefits of the extra kit included so the added expense is too steep for the perceived benefit (at least in the short term)
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35506 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Going by Cakewalk's usual behaviour, they seem to concentrate on the first bugfix release of major versions before worrying about the demo version...Caleb wrote: It's only Sonar4 for a start and you can't even plug-in a VST for testing the integration.
But no, it doesnt come with the adaptor. Should be able to use the DirectiXer demo with it, though (I think).
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
I agree, the value is good, but this is a guy who basically uses his Korg Triton LE and Roland sound module and is determined to use them pretty much with recorded audio.
I'm planning to slowly infect him with the plug-in technology virus and getting Sonar Studio will help (as will the WusikStation I bought him hopefully). But there's time enough for all that stuff and I will probably be doing the buying here, I will really appreciate the reduced price of Sonar Studio
Caleb
I'm planning to slowly infect him with the plug-in technology virus and getting Sonar Studio will help (as will the WusikStation I bought him hopefully). But there's time enough for all that stuff and I will probably be doing the buying here, I will really appreciate the reduced price of Sonar Studio
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 25039 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- KVRAF
- 3476 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from NE Ohio, USA
IMHO Windows 2000 was never a "consumer" operating system, except maybe for corporate environments. It was much stronger in the server arena.Caleb wrote:Good news about the 64bit. I'm a bit wary with Cakewalk after they went XP-exclusive.
XP is more-or-less Windows 2000 with the drivers and other bits necessary to be consumer-friendly.
If a machine shipped with anything lower than Windows XP (unless it was intentionally ordered that way, like with ME rather than XP), then it may well be too slow long-term DAW use, but it's good for getting a taste and deciding how much to invest.
And the 64-bit issue has been clearly clarified.
Doug
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- KVRAF
- 3476 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from NE Ohio, USA
But you can use Synth1 and Triangle2, both of which come in DXI format as well as VSTI. There's also demos of z3ta+, Pentagon 1, sfz+, Vaz Plus, etc. that come in DXI format.Caleb wrote:It's only Sonar4 for a start and you can't even plug-in a VST for testing the integration.
Sonar4 demo didn't ship with the VSTI adapter. In a pinch you can try the DirectiXer demo. I've used the Sonar4 VSTI adapter, the only things it specifically didn't like were Microrock Pro (Luisi posted a fix for that) and Jamstix.
Doug
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- KVRAF
- 3476 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from NE Ohio, USA
If he's going to feed these back into his sequencer for recording, then you'll have to explain latency to himCaleb wrote:I agree, the value is good, but this is a guy who basically uses his Korg Triton LE and Roland sound module and is determined to use them pretty much with recorded audio.
Doug
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- KVRian
- 690 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi
Caleb,
I'm quite familiar with Project5, Sonar5, and Live5. I'm also an old Muzys user (still love that program).
I'm a fairly big fan of Sonar and Cakewalk in general, I think they are a very progressive company with good ideas and business models. As well, Sonar5 does a lot of things and it does them right. The Producer edition is great value, it works well, works with both hardware and softsynths, and is very comprehensive. Although I haven't done this myself (yet), I think it's possible to clean up and simplify the interface to make it appealing to people that are new to computer music technologies.
Having said that, I can't help but think that Live5 may be a better piece of software for your friend to use. It's interface seems more concise to me, which makes it easier for learning I think. For example, when learning Sonar I would read in the manual about some toolbar/icon and then it would take me ages to find the damn thing.
Overall I would say that Sonar is the better value and ultimately better suited to your friend perhaps, but maybe learning would be easier with Live.
sluggo
I'm quite familiar with Project5, Sonar5, and Live5. I'm also an old Muzys user (still love that program).
I'm a fairly big fan of Sonar and Cakewalk in general, I think they are a very progressive company with good ideas and business models. As well, Sonar5 does a lot of things and it does them right. The Producer edition is great value, it works well, works with both hardware and softsynths, and is very comprehensive. Although I haven't done this myself (yet), I think it's possible to clean up and simplify the interface to make it appealing to people that are new to computer music technologies.
Having said that, I can't help but think that Live5 may be a better piece of software for your friend to use. It's interface seems more concise to me, which makes it easier for learning I think. For example, when learning Sonar I would read in the manual about some toolbar/icon and then it would take me ages to find the damn thing.
Overall I would say that Sonar is the better value and ultimately better suited to your friend perhaps, but maybe learning would be easier with Live.
sluggo
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- KVRAF
- 25039 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
not if he used Podium (or eXT for that matter)dougsyo wrote:If he's going to feed these back into his sequencer for recording, then you'll have to explain latency to himCaleb wrote:I agree, the value is good, but this is a guy who basically uses his Korg Triton LE and Roland sound module and is determined to use them pretty much with recorded audio.
Doug
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
I hear what you're saying. That's why Muzys would have been a great option I think....bugger bugger bugger!!!sluggo wrote:For example, when learning Sonar I would read in the manual about some toolbar/icon and then it would take me ages to find the damn thing.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 25039 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
actually you don't need most of the icons - it's just as with eXT - simply left-click things - I have deleted most of the tool-bars (you can move, rearrange and delete them) - furtheron you can define shortcuts and midi-key bindings for everything.Caleb wrote:I hear what you're saying. That's why Muzys would have been a great option I think....bugger bugger bugger!!!sluggo wrote:For example, when learning Sonar I would read in the manual about some toolbar/icon and then it would take me ages to find the damn thing.
Caleb
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- KVRAF
- 3158 posts since 2 Jul, 2005 from Stuck in the closet
I started with Cakewalk Sonar/Home Studio and I haven't even touched anything else (except FLStudio a few times). I love Cakewalk. It's good for pretty much all kinds of music making, I think, so I'd definitely go with it. 
Mizutaphile.
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- KVRAF
- 3441 posts since 15 Mar, 2003
What's the difference between Sonar, podium and XT in this respect?jens wrote:not if he used Podium (or eXT for that matter)dougsyo wrote:If he's going to feed these back into his sequencer for recording, then you'll have to explain latency to himCaleb wrote:I agree, the value is good, but this is a guy who basically uses his Korg Triton LE and Roland sound module and is determined to use them pretty much with recorded audio.
Doug