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[jmh]

Sorry, I should have disclaimed that I don't find your work offensive. What I said turned out all wrong.

It was meant to be directed at those people who aren't able to see the difference between something that contains a large number of controls on a limited area of screen space, where anything and everything needs to be taken into consideration, including signal flow, how different controls relate to each other, general points regarding use of color (both what they've usually used for, and overall everything related to color psychology and so on), in comparison to something like the Betabugs plugins, that have different goals with everything (ease of use for one!) and thus allow more experimental and off-the-established-practices UIs.

(And this also refers to a couple of instances where people have been mentioning your name as a possible UI designer, without even considering your usual style and what you've done so far and how it might fit the project in question - there's a big name or two in this field as well whose work I respect but don't exactly see them being the best choices for everything, considering their styles and previous works and so on... and I do have commented them in a similar way before)

But I hear you, I'll try to rephrase myself better in the future. We all know that the current atmosphere here is more than tense, and we (especially those of us talented in being more hostile than intended!) should really remember this before posting...

Regards,

JMH

[jmh]

I guess I say "well known fact" because I had read it in several areas where people were mentioning that sliders are easier to use but you're right, the way that Voxengo plugins handle knob movement is very natural.

I have to mention that I was speaking generally, right now I can't even remember if Aleksey's plugins support such methods for finer control

In regards to the higher range of the EQ values, I think this all comes down to surgical stuff. Somethings removing a troublesome high frequency buzz/hiss requires such precision. For instance, I remember a little while back I had a recording that had sine wave type sound at around 16 khz, this would give you the sound you get from most old TVs, the high frequency hiss.

Zoning into something like that really does require precision if you get my drift ?

Yep, precision in itself is important, I was merely commenting on how that precision might be achieved otherwise than by typing in numbers

I have to say that the best approach to this I've seen so far is having a quick coarse way such as a screen with curves, and then textboxes that allow both mousing and text input, providing a down-to-unit accuracy. That's the way it should be, I'd prefer at least a Hz accuracy when it comes to any sort of filters or EQs.

We'll get there

The sooner the better!

Regards,

JMH

[fgimian]

But I hear you, I'll try to rephrase myself better in the future. We all know that the current atmosphere here is more than tense, and we (especially those of us talented in being more hostile than intended!) should really remember this before posting...

I actually notice what you mean, I am noticing a lot more intentional attacking at kvr (as opposed to unintentional as you have stated with your response).

It's a real shame to see kvr become a place like this when it really is just a whole bunch of people getting together to talk about their love of music production and techniques adopted .etc. I have had my head bit off a few times too, and quite unexpectedly which makes me wonder why I even spend my time on forums

Regarding these thoughts we have about GUIs, I think I might mention them directly to Aleksey to see what he thinks.

Cheers
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[JeffSanders]

Maybe he could take his three or four most popular plugs and offer them as "skinnable" fx.

Although I kind of like the current look.

[DuX]

"1. You can type a value directly for any parameter
2. Every parameter is labelled so you know exactly what it is
3. Each option per parameter is a full description, not a single letter. For instance, rather than F, S, U modes in Crunchessor, we should have "Fast", "Slow", "Crush" or something like that, it doesn't bother most people to have a larger GUI to fit these things on.
4. In EQs, there is no way to set a high frequency accurately (for example you see 16.34 kHZ instead of 16,341 Hz), and in HarmoniEQ it is impossible to adjust any point with 100 % accuracy as you are totally relying on your mouse. Sometimes when using the mouse, you select one value, and when you let go of the mouse button, the value changes and that can get rather frustrating."

I may like Voxengo GUIs very much, but to be honest I cannot ignore and/or not agree more with these points soundpalace. Very well put. I like the colours and the looks in general, also drop down menus are excellent, too, but entering values by hand and better descriptions would be very useful.

Cheers!

[fgimian]

hey Dave, thanks for responding. I think that points 5 and 6 are very subjective and truly upto personal taste. But yep, I'm pretty sure all users would love to see points 1 - 4 in future Voxengo products

Folks I have added a topic at the Voxengo forums for plugin GUIs in case you want to follow it and add your opinions too. The URL is http://www.voxengo.com/forum/ar/1074/

Cheers
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[DuX]

hey Dave, thanks for responding. I think that points 5 and 6 are very subjective and truly upto personal taste. But yep, I'm pretty sure all users would love to see points 1 - 4 in future Voxengo products

You're welcome, mate . I think everyone would agree these points would make Voxengo GUIs truly professional. I just never gave it a thought...

Cheers, of course !

[fgimian]

Judging by the amount of times we've said cheers, we are probably both pretty pissed by now ! lol !

Cheers (drunk voice)
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[AD80]

especially among the MTV crowd.

Isnt that all thats left??

I agree tho. Voxengo plugs are fantastic. But the GUI's are so so.

[omo]

it's good gui. simple and clean. no need to change nothing. price is what matters.

[scam_artist]

I used to think Voxengo GUIs looked fairly unprofessional, but my opinion has changed after working with them. They're clean, generally uncluttered, and functional, so I'm not too bothered by the current Voxengo look

[orangesuite]

i don't care how the GUI looks as long as it's functional and easy to use. I mean unless your having a pissing contest about plug-ins then whats the point of griping. As far as accurate EQ etc. are their not keyboard short cuts or mouse button shortcuts that let you use smaller incements in most Voxengo plugs?

[Aleksey Vaneev]

Thanks for your feedback. Most of these things may get refinement in the future.

As for the high freq editing resolution, this is hardly necessary since resolution is uniform across the octave range. There is no need to have resolution up to 0.001 in the higher frequency range. At least you won't convince me there is such need.

As for the precision of EQ node setting - I will have to check this out. There is bug, probably.

"Look is not inspiring" - that's not what I'm striving to do. Inspiring look is probably a look of something that costs thousand dollars in hardware form. I do not like that hype. On the other hand, the most inspiring look will get boring after several production sessions.

"Extensive knob use" - that's my design paradigm and my vision. There is no sense in having sliders as they only consume display space while not offering any better resolution.

I've checked out Waves and Elemental Audio plug-ins, but I'm not impressed if you ask me.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

Nobody so far convinced me that Waves or EA UIs look better. They have other colors, they use sliders MUCH. That's all about the differences.

What you are talking about is that you wanted to see sliders instead of knobs and darkish colors instead of brighter ones.

That won't work with me. You should be much MORE precise on your likes and dislikes. Simply saying 'it looks unprofessional' is simply a stating your position - it's not even a critique.

Moreover, as an independent one-man developer I cannot say I'm dissatisfied with the sales. If they continue with their current pace I'll have to hire 'support department' to answer various questions.

[kovacs]

I like Voxengo plugs for their simple looks and fantastic sound (and of course price level). Kjaerhus plugs are too hardware-looking for me (I think the Classics are better than the Gold series). Plus of course the fantastic customer service Aleksey offers. It all boils down to a great value for money no matter what.

Just my 2c...