Do we really need more than 100 velocity layers?

[Bonteburg]

I remember editing samples of my rhodes to make a soundfont a few years back. I did 3 velocity layers. I realized that I just wasnt put on this world to make sample sets.

I know where you're coming from!

[hollowsun]

I remember editing samples of my rhodes to make a soundfont a few years back. I did 3 velocity layers. I realized that I just wasnt put on this world to make sample sets.

I know where you're coming from!

Ha

Indeed.... it's a bloody tedious and very time-consuming process (but has to be done)!


Steve

[hollowsun]

Not thousands..... but certainly hundreds, recording wise it's not much more effort at all .... OK it does take a teensy while longer to edit and map I agree

A "teensy while longer...."? Yeah... right!

But no one is going to attempt big libraries unless they think they can sell lots of them ...and there does seem to be a demand for them ...so everyone's happy I guess...

I guess so but....

I would love to meet any drummer who can reliably and predictably play 128 levels of accurate samples to order for a sample collection... or a pianist who can do the same on their instrument.. or a violinist or flautist... whatever.

I doubt it very much.


Steve

[Angus_FX]

A "teensy while longer...."? Yeah... right!

Quite... it takes a certain kind of mindset to be able to take on such a big editing session. A big library can take several man-months of editing, and several more of QA. Just listening to all the content in something the size of BFD Deluxe end-to-end would take in the region of 24 hours - though for QA, you really have to break it up in to sessions of no more than 20-30 minutes - hard to maintain the necessary concentration listening to one drum hit after another for longer than that.

I would love to meet any drummer who can reliably and predictably play 128 levels of accurate samples to order for a sample collection.

They can't -- part of the editing process is to sort the samples (by ear and with meters). We actually record rather more than 128 samples to get a good consistency of velocity intervals.

.. or a pianist who can do the same on their instrument.. or a violinist or flautist... whatever.

Drummers can do more than any other instrument I can think of (besides perhaps Spanish guitar); on the other hand, with a piano you've got 88 keys, soft / sustain / mute pedals etc. whereas with a drum kit you've only got a max of about 15 kit pieces with an average of maybe three articulations.

[telebunke]

I'm still waiting for 1 library with, lets say 1500 sounds, not a 30GB one, please, with all sounds really top notch.
Made in such a way that one really has great quality samples of all categories.

It just doesn't exist.

tele

[daGuru]

Zero-G Nostalgia? .... my pick using that criteria

[telebunke]

Zero-G Nostalgia? .... my pick using that criteria

It's only synth stuff. Kind of a legacy collection. The whole area of acoustical instruments is missing.
- Violins
- Cello
- trumpet
- ...

But I guess a combination of
Hypersonic (including it's synth expansion)
plus Philharmonik (or the new/old collection of Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra)
would come close to what I mean
maybe add Sonic Reality Capsules for guitar and the one for bass

[Radek]

I'm still waiting for 1 library with, lets say 1500 sounds, not a 30GB one, please, with all sounds really top notch.
Made in such a way that one really has great quality samples of all categories.

It just doesn't exist.

tele

30GB is an insane size...

Looking at what can be accomplished just with less than 200MB (no rompler yet shipped with more samples, except the Oasys) something wrong is with those multigiga libraries.

Plain substractive synth (with number of waveform as big as 5) can have a very wide (and excellent sounding) array of presets.

Unless someone demands totally "realistic" acoustic sounds for orcherstra, pianos and the like gigabytes aren't just needed (except for marketing departments perhaps?). But then someone might just get real musician instead if a "total" realism is the goal.

I see uses for a Gigastudio (have myself and Gigapiano is very good) however... with bigger sizes are also coming less and less improvements. And for synthetic sounds using a sampler is beyond my imagination now. And for most other acoustic sounds the physical modelling (except for pianos) will be also way better than sampling. The old "VL" technology from Yamaha is still awesome even today and will give a way better results than any sampling.

[telebunke]

30GB is an insane size...

Looks ar Colossus, well it's not 30 GB IIRC, but it is huge.
And with Rompers doing great sound with 200MB it shoult be possible to include top notch sounding strings, brass and so on, with nice selection of articulations in software library that is 3 or 4 GB.
But this doesn't exist.
Hypersonic, Sampletank and the others are good, but far from as good as it could be made with 3 or more GB.
Ibet HS2 with 1,7 GB will still not sound much better than the MOTIF.

[GIRO]

30GB is an insane size...

Looks ar Colossus, well it's not 30 GB IIRC, but it is huge.
And with Rompers doing great sound with 200MB it shoult be possible to include top notch sounding strings, brass and so on, with nice selection of articulations in software library that is 3 or 4 GB.
But this doesn't exist.
Hypersonic, Sampletank and the others are good, but far from as good as it could be made with 3 or more GB.
Ibet HS2 with 1,7 GB will still not sound much better than the MOTIF.

HEY! DUDE! THANX for this thread!
Let me blow some steam!;)

BFD BS'
WHy do I need 128 Vel on cymbals!?? it is a waist of HD. There is no point on this but just an other way to catch your attention and make you buy!...
This is just crazy! NO NEED FOR IT!
I have BFD and still can't play it without some error from the rompler. My system is awesome; 3.0Ghz 2GB Ram.
I checked on the so called BFD layers and there is nothing there!
MY freaking Drum kit has better velocities!
The side_stick sounds like crap! can't play the snare on 2 keys! the roll is pathetic, etc....

I think that the engineer is not a drummer!
I mean! the dude on the video showing BFD can't even play right the freaking thing! "I'm not a drummer" duh! I can see that!
I have it for over a year and don't see the need fot it yet! Stupid me!

BF_WHAT now!?? give me a break and work on the first one yet! Still hurting from the $300 I waisted!
I could have sent it to the RED CROSS! "COJOLLO"!

MULTI FORMAT is the way to go!... SAMPLE libraries with romplers are bound to buggy times! I want the samples, not the interface, GUI, what ever you want to call it!
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aaaaahh! that felt good!

NOW about HS2.. very cool! I have the first one and it works like a charm, with crappy patches but with some killer ones too!
GUYS! MOTIF has WIZOO DRUMS! I heard them!
I'm sure HS2 has a bunch of Yamaha libraries! I welcome it! 1.7 GB for a Rompler that will make your studio a lot bigger, because there is more space without hard synths, is a good thing.

Can you imagen a ROLAND Fantom X or a MOTIF with 1.7GB of cool internal library? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
MOTIF 8 = Lowest Price: $2,899.00(
(175 megabytes in 16-bit linear format)
SO! 1.7GB for less than $300? WELCOME!
Sorry for the misspells !

PS:
COJOLLO! ( CO_HO_YO )is a Spanish word expressing your distress about something, etc...
Also used to refer to the top of a tree!

like: I'M UP TO MY NECK! in a rude way!

[Radek]

30GB is an insane size...

Looks ar Colossus, well it's not 30 GB IIRC, but it is huge.
And with Rompers doing great sound with 200MB it shoult be possible to include top notch sounding strings, brass and so on, with nice selection of articulations in software library that is 3 or 4 GB.
But this doesn't exist.
Hypersonic, Sampletank and the others are good, but far from as good as it could be made with 3 or more GB.
Ibet HS2 with 1,7 GB will still not sound much better than the MOTIF.

HEY! DUDE! THANX for this thread!
Let me blow some steam!;)

BFD BS'
WHy do I need 128 Vel on cymbals!?? it is a waist of HD. There is no point on this but just an other way to catch your attention and make you buy!...
This is just crazy! NO NEED FOR IT!
I have BFD and still can't play it without some error from the rompler. My system is awesome; 3.0Ghz 2GB Ram.
I checked on the so called BFD layers and there is nothing there!
MY freaking Drum kit has better velocities!
The side_stick sounds like crap! can't play the snare on 2 keys! the roll is pathetic, etc....

I think that the engineer is not a drummer!
I mean! the dude on the video showing BFD can't even play right the freaking thing! "I'm not a drummer" duh! I can see that!
I have it for over a year and don't see the need fot it yet! Stupid me!

BF_WHAT now!?? give me a break and work on the first one yet! Still hurting from the $300 I waisted!
I could have sent it to the RED CROSS! "COJOLLO"!

MULTI FORMAT is the way to go!... SAMPLE libraries with romplers are bound to buggy times! I want the samples, not the interface, GUI, what ever you want to call it!
-------------------------------

aaaaahh! that felt good!

NOW about HS2.. very cool! I have the first one and it works like a charm, with crappy patches but with some killer ones too!
GUYS! MOTIF has WIZOO DRUMS! I heard them!
I'm sure HS2 has a bunch of Yamaha libraries! I welcome it! 1.7 GB for a Rompler that will make your studio a lot bigger, because there is more space without hard synths, is a good thing.

Can you imagen a ROLAND Fantom X or a MOTIF with 1.7GB of cool internal library? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Actually I could. Fantom Xr's rom memory can be expanded to 0,5GB plus 0,5GB of ram. The MotifEs can hold 1GB ram plus the standard 175MB rom. Not that far from that 1.7GB.
(but unfortunately the load times of samples are very slow for these)

MOTIF 8 = Lowest Price: $2,899.00(
(175 megabytes in 16-bit linear format)
SO! 1.7GB for less than $300? WELCOME!

But it isn't only a synth but weighted keyboard, seqencer and sampler too. It'll work without any additional hardware (like computer ) as it's a hardware. The rack version is for much less and can be found for 1000$.

After all the results are important. I once could get very impressed by technical specs such as sample size but no more.

[GIRO]

Actually I could. Fantom Xr's rom memory can be expanded to 0,5GB plus 0,5GB of ram. The MotifEs can hold 1GB ram plus the standard 175MB rom. Not that far from that 1.7GB.
(but unfortunately the load times of samples are very slow for these)

MOTIF 8 = Lowest Price: $2,899.00(
(175 megabytes in 16-bit linear format)
SO! 1.7GB for less than $300? WELCOME!

But it isn't only a synth but weighted keyboard, seqencer and sampler too. It'll work without any additional hardware (like computer ) as it's a hardware. The rack version is for much less and can be found for 1000$.

After all the results are important. I once could get very impressed by technical specs such as sample size but no more.

Hi Radek!
YEs cool but I have a seq program, I have a Controller, Sampler (HALion), etc... and like 160GB os sound library.

MOtif 3 grand + ram upgrade $$$ plus library expansions $$$, etc,, we are talking about $5 grand or more just on that system!

DOn't get me wrong! if it works for you, AWESOME!

But it cracks me up when I see studios with TRITONS as a controller! and they are seq on CUBASE !!
I guess they are not VSTi fanatics like me!...lololol

Extra news!! Korg has the M1 on VST! with all the expansions.. I've been waiting for that! looks and sounds cool!.. It has better fxs now.
Call me old fashion but it is a classic. like the DX7!
http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_pro ... egory_id=8

Cheers!

[ericj23]

if you dont want bfd i'll make you a good offer

[GIRO]

if you dont want bfd i'll make you a good offer

I used it in one Production, one song!! and that was it! Pathetic!

I don't know if thats legal but I want my money back!
I can put it to better use! They don't care about me so!

I tried the 1.5 BETA! version and it does not load my user patches! DO I look like a BETA tester TO YOU FXPANSION?

ALSO!
Here you can hear the WIZOO drums on the MOTIF ES Media Clips
Song 16: One World! nice song too!

[BFDrummer]

BFD BS'
WHy do I need 128 Vel on cymbals!?? it is a waist of HD. There is no point on this but just an other way to catch your attention and make you buy!...
This is just crazy! NO NEED FOR IT!
I have BFD and still can't play it without some error from the rompler. My system is awesome; 3.0Ghz 2GB Ram.
I checked on the so called BFD layers and there is nothing there!
MY freaking Drum kit has better velocities!
The side_stick sounds like crap! can't play the snare on 2 keys! the roll is pathetic, etc....

I think that the engineer is not a drummer!
I mean! the dude on the video showing BFD can't even play right the freaking thing! "I'm not a drummer" duh! I can see that!
I have it for over a year and don't see the need fot it yet! Stupid me!

BF_WHAT now!?? give me a break and work on the first one yet! Still hurting from the $300 I waisted!
I could have sent it to the RED CROSS! "COJOLLO"!

MULTI FORMAT is the way to go!... SAMPLE libraries with romplers are bound to buggy times! I want the samples, not the interface, GUI, what ever you want to call it!
-------------------------------

aaaaahh! that felt good!

BFD samples don't have 128 layers - I don't *think* even BFD DLX cymbals have as many as 128 layers (but still lots, yes, and more than BFD). If you don't want so many layers though you can instal less wiith DLX and so save HD space.

BFD does work - esp with that system spec - sounds like you need to do some tweaking probably.

On DLX some 'side stick' hits are actually midway centre to rim snare hits -
maybe that is the confusion....or are you talking about BFD orig. samples?

you can play snare on two keys with BFD1.5!

RTFM!

P.S. I think you're just upset because FXpansion used your photo for the quantization dude in BFD!!!

http://www.geocities.com/duro7878/studio1.html