I like my Cubase SX3 more
Ableton Live 5- Anyone use it exclusively?
-
- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
The concept is great for jamming live or DJing, so I think Ableton Live is primary for this sitation. Another concept, some like it, some not.
I like my Cubase SX3 more
I like my Cubase SX3 more
| Links-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 29 Sep, 2003
"To bounce down the tracks to audio do you use Audition as a rewire host and Ableton as a rewire client within it, or are you happy to rely on Live's render (and then reassemble the track in Audition)?"
I render every track from Live and then I assemble it into Audition at the moment, but....I was thinking to try it with Rewire option, but I have not worked with rewire options until now. So , if you try it, let me know about results. [/quote]
I render every track from Live and then I assemble it into Audition at the moment, but....I was thinking to try it with Rewire option, but I have not worked with rewire options until now. So , if you try it, let me know about results. [/quote]
-
- KVRist
- 67 posts since 8 Apr, 2005
An audiophile friend of mine claim Live sounds much better when run through Cubase SX as rewire. Apparently the cubase engine mixes the tracks better.
However I'm not sure wether rendering a single track will be any different. I'm very interested in the results of such a test tho, as Live is the only host I know which lets you bounce midi to audio without having to stop playback which imo facilitates the creative process a lot.
However I'm not sure wether rendering a single track will be any different. I'm very interested in the results of such a test tho, as Live is the only host I know which lets you bounce midi to audio without having to stop playback which imo facilitates the creative process a lot.
-
- KVRian
- 1358 posts since 15 Oct, 2005 from The Far North
Audiowise Live doesn't get ugly, imo, before you sum several tracks with the internal engine. So rewiring or bouncing single tracks is fine, no problem.DELUDE wrote:An audiophile friend of mine claim Live sounds much better when run through Cubase SX as rewire. Apparently the cubase engine mixes the tracks better.
However I'm not sure wether rendering a single track will be any different. I'm very interested in the results of such a test tho, as Live is the only host I know which lets you bounce midi to audio without having to stop playback which imo facilitates the creative process a lot.
-
- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Live is a very capable studio production tool... but was originally designed for use on stage. Some of its default behaviour specifically reflects this and may need tweaking in accordance with the instructions given in the Live manual.
I've mixed medium sized projects (around 15 tracks) without any audio problems whatever. The only time when audio quality can particularly deteriorate is if the CPU meter goes above maybe 60% or so, at which point it is important to review your options for CPU efficiency. Here's some methods to use:
* Check buffer size / latency settings etc
* Disable any audio inputs/outputs not currently being used by the project (unlike some programs, Live does not do this automatically, because it could cause problems such as audio dropouts in a live performance setting). Where appropriate use Mono rather than Stereo inputs on tracks
* Check the warping options. Complex Mode uses around 10 times as much CPU as the other four modes, and is rarely needed for mixing projects (it was designed for use by DJs importing MP3s of full mixdowns).
* Freeze tracks. NB do this in the Arrangment View to get better results (because effects settings such as flangers, phasers, etc don't then get looped, but are applied across the whole track)
* Bounce tracks to audio if yuou prefer.
* Instead of getting Live to read audio tracks from the hard drive, load some of them into RAM (from the clip properties section) if you have plenty of it.
These strategies all help to reduce CPU load and maintain the highest level of audio quality. Users who do not take this advice (most of which is contained in the Live manual
) have only themselves - and not the software - to blame if audio quality in Live is any less good than in other software.
I do hope this helps
I've mixed medium sized projects (around 15 tracks) without any audio problems whatever. The only time when audio quality can particularly deteriorate is if the CPU meter goes above maybe 60% or so, at which point it is important to review your options for CPU efficiency. Here's some methods to use:
* Check buffer size / latency settings etc
* Disable any audio inputs/outputs not currently being used by the project (unlike some programs, Live does not do this automatically, because it could cause problems such as audio dropouts in a live performance setting). Where appropriate use Mono rather than Stereo inputs on tracks
* Check the warping options. Complex Mode uses around 10 times as much CPU as the other four modes, and is rarely needed for mixing projects (it was designed for use by DJs importing MP3s of full mixdowns).
* Freeze tracks. NB do this in the Arrangment View to get better results (because effects settings such as flangers, phasers, etc don't then get looped, but are applied across the whole track)
* Bounce tracks to audio if yuou prefer.
* Instead of getting Live to read audio tracks from the hard drive, load some of them into RAM (from the clip properties section) if you have plenty of it.
These strategies all help to reduce CPU load and maintain the highest level of audio quality. Users who do not take this advice (most of which is contained in the Live manual
) have only themselves - and not the software - to blame if audio quality in Live is any less good than in other software. I do hope this helps
-
- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from In front of iLok's headquarters with a Molotov Cocktail!
I use Live 5 for putting together stuff and like it a lot. When I want to "finalize" or make a demo, I use ProTools. I use Live for 80% of my work. I've tried to use Live for everything but my stuff always sounded better in PT. To me (and to a few other people that have listened to my music), PT sounds better. I don't know why or care. Only the end result matters to me. Usually, I make up single tracks in Live and then bring them together in PT. When I've brought them together in Live, the results aren't as good. I use a lot of audio files and can breeze thru edits in PT, faster. Auditioning in Live is great, though. For me, it's a great combo. It's nice to have both of them working together.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Death to all dongles!
-
- KVRist
- 322 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
Could anyone upload an example of a mix down done in Live and one done rewired into cubase? Or just indivdual tracks saved from Live and then mixed down into another host.
-
- KVRist
- 36 posts since 23 Jun, 2004
I think the absolutely most bizarre thing just happened. I downloaded the tune from this:
"i use live exclusively
it sounds like this : http://dominey.schtuff.com/cusin_mp3
http://dominey.schtuff.com/""
Started it playing and slid on the headphones. "Really cool, wonder who the trumpet player is, ooh great singer, man, this is done with Live5?.....nice long track,........gotta listen to more of this guys tunes, cool multi layered bass...."
Then I took a look at the track and it had stopped........HUH? I forgot that I had the web radio from http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/webradio/index.html on and playing.......the two songs worked together Poifektlee!
Maybe you two should get together.
And maybe this is a good omen....Live5 is with UPS right now. and headin' my way.
Dave
"i use live exclusively
it sounds like this : http://dominey.schtuff.com/cusin_mp3
http://dominey.schtuff.com/""
Started it playing and slid on the headphones. "Really cool, wonder who the trumpet player is, ooh great singer, man, this is done with Live5?.....nice long track,........gotta listen to more of this guys tunes, cool multi layered bass...."
Then I took a look at the track and it had stopped........HUH? I forgot that I had the web radio from http://www.nilspettermolvaer.com/webradio/index.html on and playing.......the two songs worked together Poifektlee!
Maybe you two should get together.
And maybe this is a good omen....Live5 is with UPS right now. and headin' my way.
Dave
-
- KVRist
- 36 posts since 23 Jun, 2004
The track was "only these things count.'"
-
- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
I use Live 5 exclusively now. I've owned Sonar, Cubase SX, FL Studio and Tracktion and they're all good but I'm the type that prefers to work around my DAW's limitations rather than kill workflow by switching back and forth between apps. Live is just the best fit for me. FL is still nice to have around but I'm going Mac as soon as the Intel Powerbooks are available.