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reprznt · Post by **reprznt** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:28 pm

are there any free sampled drum packs available.... that are samples taken from a S950,MPC60 or SP1200? I want the 12-bit sound for some drum samples... but i do not want to sample off vinyl (copyright) and i have not been satisfied with the vst bitcrushers... are there any freely available samples taken from the above mentioned samplers? thanks

Def Dave · Post by **Def Dave** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:16 pm

where is the differences between using samples from other people who sampled from vinyl and sampling from vinyl directly?

we are talking about one shot samples... relax.

reprznt · Post by **reprznt** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:21 pm

so for example... if I "jack" Dj Premier's drums... u do not think i will get into legal trouble? or maybe i will just spend one day resampling my drums into my old s950 that is doing a lovely job of collecting dust in my kitchen. have not fired up that machine in years.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:22 pm

reprznt wrote:so for example... if I "jack" Dj Premier's drums... u do not think i will get into legal trouble?

DJ Premier jacks his drums...who you kiddin'?

reprznt · Post by **reprznt** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:28 pm

i figured he was only sampling Screamin Jay Hawkins and R.Kelly for hooks and things.... but to heck with it... i will snag all his drums. thanks for the reality check.

Def Dave · Post by **Def Dave** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:03 pm

reprznt wrote:so for example... if I "jack" Dj Premier's drums... u do not think i will get into legal trouble? or maybe i will just spend one day resampling my drums into my old s950 that is doing a lovely job of collecting dust in my kitchen. have not fired up that machine in years.

even better is to jack the same drums he did to eq and compress it yourself... tweaking is everything!

Dave

Collusion · Post by **Collusion** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:18 pm

Did you lot consider that he'd got clearance from the people he'd sampled? Go to http://www.mcps.co.uk and type "sampling" into their website's Search to find out how to do it without getting yourselves into any legal hassles.

Def Dave · Post by **Def Dave** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:01 pm

Collusion wrote:Did you lot consider that he'd got clearance from the people he'd sampled? Go to http://www.mcps.co.uk and type "sampling" into their website's Search to find out how to do it without getting yourselves into any legal hassles.

did you ever hear that somebody cleared a kickdrum sample?

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:13 pm

Lol, I love these threads, always good for a giggle. Its the "I'll use illegal samples, as long as I dont have to sample them myself" attitude that hits me right in the funny bone every time.

If you by a commerical sample CD which features vinyl drums, I guarentee that most if not all of the content has not been cleared. Why? Because no one cares about a hi hat from some minor 70's funk release.

Oh, but sorry I forgot, its copyright violation. Let me bow my head in shame

Sorry, being an arsehole. Here's some real advice - go onto ebay, buy a cheap Mirage, or old Akai, then same all your vinyl breaks to your hearts is content. And please, PLEASE chill out!

Distorted_Mastermind · Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:51 pm

I think it's funny too, why would you even try for clearance on drum hits? If you are worried about getting busted for non-cleared drum sounds just sample a bunch more and layer them

.....that way it will make it harder to spot the sound.

reprznt · Post by **reprznt** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:04 pm

ok here is my question... i have an old S950 that i have never used for sampling (purchased it real cheap from a friend and used included disks a few times).... I have a vestax pdx-2000 turntable and thousands of records.... how do i connect the turntable to the s950? do i run it via a mixing board? thanks and sorry if this somewhat is off topic

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:05 pm

reprznt wrote:how do i connect the turntable to the s950?

Wow.

safeaim · Post by **safeaim** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:13 pm

Kids these days I tell ya

reprznt, I have never touched any hardware like S950, but I would guess through a simple phono/jack cable..

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:13 pm

The latest (?) IndustrialNation issue had a pretty good summary of the law re: sampling. I'm not a lawyer and don't have the mag in front of me, but to nail someone for infringement you have to demonstrate all of the following:

- The sample was a recognizable part of the whole (i.e. Average Joe can tell where it came from)

- The sample symbolizes or represents the whole in some way (i.e. a distinctive hook or lyric)

- The sample is a significant length

- The copyright holder is adversely affected by your use of the sample (i.e. sales of The Winstons albums suddenly lose sales because you used the Amen Break

)

- Fair use and parody don't apply (which is probably true)

Of course with Washington being owned by Hollywood these days

it wouldn't surprise me to see things changing for the worse, and the rules are a bit tighter when you sell a sample collection -- but I expect one-shot drum hits will always be safe.

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:02 am

reprznt wrote:ok here is my question... i have an old S950 that i have never used for sampling (purchased it real cheap from a friend and used included disks a few times).... I have a vestax pdx-2000 turntable and thousands of records.... how do i connect the turntable to the s950? do i run it via a mixing board?

Not so simple - the turntable will be very low level (like 3mV) and will need to go through some form of RIAA pre-amp.

And even if you do sort that technicality out, sorry but sampling records (even a single hit) is questionable in terms of copyright and could land you in all sorts of potential legal problems.

Argue about 'creative cencorship' all you like but the fact remains that sampling someone else's work to use in your own in whatever capacity is (technically) breaking the copyright laws of most countries. Whether someone from a record company will ever find out is another question but.....!

And just because other people are doing it doesn't make it right. And, of course, others might have had the sample cleared for use and/or come to an agreement over publishing and mechanical royalties.

Yes... you might get away with it but.....

Proceed at your own risk!

Steve

looking for 12-bit drum samples.. sp1200 s950 mpc60 etc.....