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butter · Post by **butter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:07 am

The last week or so I've broken out of my computer based shell as it were and have been going back to live instruments. Damn, I've really missed playing live instruments! I always come up with much more interesting work when it's being played live.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:10 am

wait until you notice the difference between a recording of a live performance and a live performance! when you get to that stage, it becomes very annoying. there are very few recordings in the world that capture the feeling of a live performance.

butter · Post by **butter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:13 am

I know what you mean. Live recordings rarely live up to the real deal either.

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:27 am

i like recordings better...honest...i like the "captured" quality, like how a photo is an abstract slice of reality...i never got the whole idea of making it sound like you are in the room with the instument, i think it's impossible...not to say one can't capture the essence of an intrument/performance, that's why recording is an art...it can become painting ala eno and all them other goofs....ahhh, i'm rambling.....

i just rented "standing in the shadows of motown" and it was cool, i just wish they had SOME footage of actual sessions...at least i now know who "diego diegoson" is, i recall the (very cool) bass thread a bit back over by HERE (edit, not "der")....

motown RULES!!!! (just want to make it official)

your pal,
rg

butter · Post by **butter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:36 am

I would love to hear that someone found footage of Miles Davis from 67-74. To see them all play stuff from Bitches Brew through Get Up WIth It would rock my world.

Hm, I just helped myself to take it off-topic.

Anyways, who else likes to go back and forth from vst based to live instruments?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:55 am

a lot of the time i switch between my software and hardware, usually it goes like:

softwave -> hardware

"holy shit, there is a big difference between my digital and analog stuff still, the sound quality owns with this stuff."

a bit later on...

"ok, this buzz, noise, instability, difficulty sequencing, and tons of cables stuff sucks shit."

hardware -> software

"whoa, i was limiting myself so much with that analog junk. on the pc i have so much more power! no noise, no buzzing, i can sequence anything i want, and everything is so damn easy to handle."

a bit later...

"this software is really uninspiring and i cant just build up a track and dub the same way at all. setting up the instruments and effects takes even longer than sequencing, and not to mention how hard it is to deal with these shit sequencers! all the stuff i make on the pc sounds pretty much the same and has no feeling to it at all."

repeat

personally i have a lot more success making the stuff i love with the hardware though. probably because my style fits better with the hardware.

butter · Post by **butter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:01 am

Yeah, I feel you there. I make a lot of hip-hop and trip-hop and it justs seems to feel "right" with real instruments. Plus, I get so much more out of a half hour jam session that I would in four hours of working by myself.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:52 am

Oh god I love it. There's nothing like playing live, the way you connect with other musicians and the audience. It's what I live for. I like listening to live recordings though too. obviously it's not as good as the real thing, but I just like hearing recording where all the musicians are actually playing together, rather than to a click track or somehing.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:54 am

butter wrote:Yeah, I feel you there. I make a lot of hip-hop and trip-hop and it justs seems to feel "right" with real instruments. Plus, I get so much more out of a half hour jam session that I would in four hours of working by myself.

I agree, have you heard of Grandpa Mojo?

butter · Post by **butter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:55 am

Not until now.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:52 am

butter wrote:

Anyways, who else likes to go back and forth from vst based to live instruments?

yep,and i see no harm in it,why limit yourself?
just go with it i say.
and why switch between them why not also mixin em up,thats cool too

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:12 am

did you hear that?...there was a rustling in the bushes...as if something horribly evil is stalking you vurt....muwahaaaahahaha....

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:17 am

i try to get a band together. perhaps tomorrow it will happen. live is sooooooooo much better

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:38 am

in that motown dvd i mentioned, they spoke about the great grooves and communication that existed between the "Funk Brothers", the in-house studio band at Hitsville in Detroit...i recently was thinking about how a person that plays a few instuments, say guitar, bass, drums, keys, etc, if they would be able to lock in to a groove with more ease, and possessing a unique groove at that, than a given group of individual musicians (i'm thinking more toward a rhythm section as opposed to soloists....
the few multi-instumental people i can think of are stevie wonder, prince, paul mcartney, todd rungren, etc...(maybe y'all can think of more)

in other words: if a certain group has success because they can keep it in the pocket and lock together well, wouldn't you think that a half-decent multi-instumentalist would be able to OD tracks and achieve a solid, unique groove based soley on the fact that feel and timing will remain consistent, everything is being played by the person that needs to lock the bass guitar to the kick and such....

am i making any sense at all?
what was the subject of this thead again?

i think it relates because the whole concept of midi slop is moot if you are actualy playing an instrument

rg

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:58 am

o'malley wrote:Oh god I love it. There's nothing like playing live, the way you connect with other musicians and the audience...

ditto.

and (for me) there's never been a better time than now (looking at the number of gigs).

motown: "standing..." is alright, i've just read a book "temples of sound", stories of great recording studios - great, read it asap!

Live instruments and how I've missed them