bass in apartments

[androidlove]

ran into a thread with an mp3 of samples that sound like they are above you

link?

[ugo]

here it is...i think over head effect on the helicopter sample was particularly effective.

-ugo

[bduffy]

I couldn´t find the thread, but I prolly didn´t try hard enough.
Here´s a webpage anyway which seems to belong to a company who manufactures this kind of technology:

http://www.holosonics.com/

interesting stuff! i wonder what the sound quality and frequency range is like...as in, does it still sound good? if the system sounds good, and if it eventually hits the consumer market (and at consumer prices), that really might do the trick for home/bedroom studio musicians.

i did a search too, and ran into a thread with an mp3 of samples that sound like they are above you, even through normal headphones. not that those samples will help with bass and the neighbors, but it was cool to hear.

A lot of the problem comes from only one or a few bass frequencies that resonate with the room and thus the walls and floors.

proper EQ's is something i really need to learn more about. (along with all the other mixing and mastering techniques.) however, you could only use that technique you mention for playback right? (like with cd's or a home theater.) if you tried mixing with that EQ setting, wouldnt you be tuning your mix to the room and running the risk of making the mix sound messed up in any other room/environment?

on a partially related note, i read a short article in sound on sound about new jbl monitors that supposedly can tune themselves for your room. (for stereo or surround.) cool idea, if it works.

-ugo

I assumed he was talking about rolling off unneccesary low/sub frequencies, which is generally a good idea and can make room in a mix. But if you EQ your bass specifically to your room...ugh, there's a whole world of hurt there - especially if you haven't treated your room! Reflections, standing waves, etc..

Checking out mp3 now...

[eduardo_b]

proper EQ's is something i really need to learn more about. (along with all the other mixing and mastering techniques.) however, you could only use that technique you mention for playback right? (like with cd's or a home theater.) if you tried mixing with that EQ setting, wouldnt you be tuning your mix to the room and running the risk of making the mix sound messed up in any other room/environment?

I think the concensus is that when a sound system is properly tuned for a room -- basically using EQ to flatten the frequency response across the audible spectrum, it's actually the most accurate way to listen to music -- CD or mixing. Studios tune the room and the speakers so the response is flat where the engineer sits, because that's the reference needed to mix or master music. Many engineers will also listen to mixes on boom boxes, other speakers, in cars and so on to see how different the mix might sound, but they really need the reference as a baseline. Which is to say, you mix for a flat response environment because you can't know and account for all listening variables in other rooms, with other music systems, speakers and headphone, and on and on.

on a partially related note, i read a short article in sound on sound about new jbl monitors that supposedly can tune themselves for your room. (for stereo or surround.) cool idea, if it works.

This is done by using built-in microphones that respond to pink noise test tones and then, on the basis of microprocessor comparisons with flat responses, an internal EQ matrix is modified. This is the signal sent to the actual speakers. It's probably better than nothing, but only would work well if the measurements were made from where the listener would be. I don't know if this is how the JBL system works.

[Andywanders]

i've moved to a 3rd floor apartment and i'd like to know if there is anything i can do to minimize the amount of bass the people below me might end up hearing.

I can't answer that Ugo, but I have to say; if there was an award for neighbour of the year, then you would get my vote - definitely..!

[The Chase]

I recommend those huge carpet spikes that have as little possible surface area touching the ground.

[james0tucson]

here it is...i think over head effect on the helicopter sample was particularly effective.

-ugo

Hey Ugo, I just discovered some of your sounds today, while finally installing some of the stuff I've bought recently. Thanks, man!

[ugo]

I can't answer that Ugo, but I have to say; if there was an award for neighbour of the year, then you would get my vote - definitely..!

its one of those 'do unto others...' type things. i dont like it when neighbors actions bug me, so i try not to annoy anyone else either.

I recommend those huge carpet spikes that have as little possible surface area touching the ground.

oh yeah, good idea...i forgot about those things. my father has used them for years with his stereo speakers. i'll give them a try.

Hey Ugo, I just discovered some of your sounds today, while finally installing some of the stuff I've bought recently. Thanks, man!

you're welcome
which product was it?

-ugo

[TVD]

i've moved to a 3rd floor apartment and i'd like to know if there is anything i can do to minimize the amount of bass the people below me might end up hearing.

in addition to my studio monitors, i've got a bass amp and a small home theater setup with a sub. i dont play loud at all, but i would like to know if there is anything else i can do to further cut down on the amount of bass that might bleed through to the apartment below. would it help to try to isolate subs and speakers in an attempt to keep vibrations going into the floor? if so, how would i go about doing that?

thanks,
-ugo

Next time around, get an apartment on the 1st floor.

[james0tucson]

Hey Ugo, I just discovered some of your sounds today, while finally installing some of the stuff I've bought recently. Thanks, man!

you're welcome
which product was it?

-ugo

It was either in the TSW2, Cameleon, or something called Fuse. I was going through so much, so fast, I can't remember.

[ugo]

Next time around, get an apartment on the 1st floor.

thats actually what i had before, and i didnt have any other neighbors backing up onto my place, except the people above me.

but this time around i wanted more light (the last place was a cave), i had to move into a much smaller apartment...so i wanted the vaulted ceilings, and this one happened to be available right when i needed it. so here i am, and i must say, i do like the new place...and with luck, i wont piss anyone off.

It was either in the TSW2, Cameleon, or something called Fuse. I was going through so much, so fast, I can't remember.

maybe Fuel 2 for wusikstation? i think i've got around 40 patches in that one. if you dig my style of wusik programming, check out Ignition...also from dangerous bear. i made 100 patches for that collection, many of which are wavesequences.

btw, on my site i've also got free patches for several other synths too, (vertigo, additive, M42, etc.)

-ugo

[james0tucson]

maybe Fuel 2 for wusikstation?

This idea comes from one of your patches in Fuel:

http://www.conservatory.com/music/mp3/20051122.mp3

[Neil G]

gotta get yourself an apartment building made in the 20's. solid construction during those times. at my loft, ive never heard any sound leak in from other apartments and i bump when i have my recording sessions till 6 am and not one complaint yet. i could swear theres like titanium between these walls and cielings.

this was main concern when shopping for a home, and i couldnt afford a house so this is what i came up with.

[james0tucson]

gotta get yourself an apartment building made in the 20's. solid construction during those times. at my loft, ive never heard any sound leak in from other apartments and i bump when i have my recording sessions till 6 am and not one complaint yet. i could swear theres like titanium between these walls and cielings.

this was main concern when shopping for a home, and i couldnt afford a house so this is what i came up with.

"Ship Lap" construction!

The kind of hardwood you need for that, was cheap back then, but today, the same wood gets $8 a square foot for exterior surfaces, and the only interior construction that you'll see, if any, will be particle board.

In those days, the hardwood floor was considered a base for the flooring... So in those old houses, you find what passes for a beautiful floor today, underneath tile, old carpet, etc.

The downside to houses that old, is the plumbing and wiring. I've seen places with bare wire strung between insulating posts. The scary part? If it was up to code when they built it, it's up to code now.

I've lived in a lot of places built just after WWI, since there was a housing boom in my town. They've got their good points, but given a choice, I'd rather have a brick house from the late '50s.