KVR Audio

jammer42777 · Post by **jammer42777** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:50 pm

Bradster wrote:Hi jammer,

I second (or third or something) the praise of SONAR here, also the caveats. It's a much steeper learning curve than either FL or Acid, but much more rewarding and powerful the deeper you go. And Rene's Pentagon is one phat VA.

You also might consider Project 5. It's much more akin to the workflow in FL and Acid, although it allows for multiple instruments or loops in a single arranger track. It also supports layers. The downside is that the audio routing is very limited and there are no track envelops like in Acid.

Both SONAR and P5 support Acid loops (called “Groove Clips” in CakeSpeak) and have a loop explorer/editor feature to manipulate slicing and dicing.

I would highly recommend dl’ing the P5 demo and giving it a spin. I find it much more intuitive and quick to get ideas into than FL and more flexible than Acid in general.

HTH,

Bradster

p.s. There’s also a really good community of users in the P5 forum. They've put together a really slick Wiki site that has a wealth of information with no sarcasms.

I would be more inclined to project 5 moreso than Sonar simply because it's geared tward electronica, I may need to wait for an upgrade deal on P5 (for reg sonar cust) they had a deal like that about a year ago. but it's something to consider. thanks!

Bradster · Post by **Bradster** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:58 pm

Actually did most of my dealing with the Daddy's in Manchester when I was in a gigging band. We had a good relationship with a couple of the guys there. The Salem store always had a kind of drive-by sales tactic. More quick sale than relationship building. Lucky I never worked in a music store, I'd end up paying them money each week.

Let's see if I have enough brain cells left from that period...Santoro's - sub shop around the corner from the Bay Bank on Church St. Mmmmm goood....Shakey's pizza on the DH highway - many long, long lunches spent there when working at DEC up by the FAA center, drinking pitchers of beer and watching Three Stooges on the big screen. Boss was cool with it...Headlines - music store downtown Nashua, used to be head shop?

I remember when they were building Pheasant Lane back in the 80's. The surveyors had goofed and they ended up building part of the Jordan Marsh across the line into Tyngsborough. This was when Sununnu and Dukakis were the governors of NH and MA and were locked in perpetual urine olympics over anything and everything (Seabrook, sales tax evasion, who gets to go to Washington D.C., etc.). Dukakis ordered Jordan Marsh to set up seperate cash registers in that part of the store and charge MA sales tax. They responded by tearing down that part of the (brand new) buidling and rebuilding it in NH. No lie. And look who ended up going to Washington.

"Traffic sucks...everything is being built up except downtown...no good bars/clubs/resaurants anymore"

Ya know, I said the same thing about Boston, San Francisco, now L.A.

So now I sit at home and make music. Not a bad thing, all in all.

Thanks for walk down memory lane.

Bradster · Post by **Bradster** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:18 pm

jammer42777 wrote:I would be more inclined to project 5 moreso than Sonar simply because it's geared tward electronica, I may need to wait for an upgrade deal on P5 (for reg sonar cust) they had a deal like that about a year ago. but it's something to consider. thanks!

Yeah, CW's "insider" pricing is all over the map. You can get some killer deals if you time it right. When I wanted to get into SONAR Producer as a P5 (V1.5) user, it was cheaper to first buy the Studio version and then immediately upgrade to Producer. It would have cost like $50 more to go directly from P5 to Producer. The upside is now I have 2 books, one to write in.

Unfortunatley there's no pricing on P5 at the moment. Right now they're plugging (no pun intended) Dimension Pro and S5. My money says they'll probably have some sweetheart deals around the Holidays. Acording to the CW rep I spoke with at the Remix Hotel recently, the $99 Dimension Pro price for P5 users is the regular price so you'll have that waiting for you.

Oh, and I just re-read what you quoted from my earlier post. I had misspoken when I said you can have multiple instruments in a track. What I mean was multiple patterns in a track.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:45 pm

Bradster, remember the wang towers? They sold in public auction about 12 years ago for 550,000 (no typo) talk about a deal. Being an auction you had to have the means available, so a group of young businessmen pooled their rescources...they resold them for several hundred mill. But in the same lot Lowell has a big fancy state of the art movie theatre and chilis outback...ect...yeah they cleaned up on that deal ...

Bradster · Post by **Bradster** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:12 pm

Hink wrote:Bradster, remember the wang towers? They sold in public auction about 12 years ago for 550,000 (no typo) talk about a deal. Being an auction you had to have the means available, so a group of young businessmen pooled their rescources...they resold them for several hundred mill. But in the same lot Lowell has a big fancy state of the art movie theatre and chilis outback...ect...yeah they cleaned up on that deal ...

I remember the Wang towers, and the fate of the company. Too bad the son didn't inherit his father's business savvy. I seem to remember that deal too. Then again, in the early 90's you could get real estate just about anywhere for a song. Here in L.A., stuff that went for barely $100K then is now well over $1M -- especially in O.C. Who knew then? (well, obviously these guys did).

OK, so maybe we haven't exactly hijacked the thread, we've only just created a track lane.

Stupid American Pig · Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 am

you mean there is multiple towers with wangs in them? Chase, there is the answer to yer problems.

but on a more serious note, SONAR 5.01 is released.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:46 am

Oh... time to come out of the closet on this one then...

After lurking around Sonar for maybe 18 months, this week I became a very happy registered Sonar 5 PE owner

Not because I am unhappy with my other software (Live/Audition/Reason), but because I think that Sonar can add something more to the mix.

So far so cool indeed

Picking up on a couple of points made earlier in the thread...

Hink - since installing S5 I have found that Audition actually is more useful... before, the VST wrapper/implementation in Audition was so bad that it was causing untold problems and slowing the application right down. Now that I have Sonar I have removed the VST path, enabled DX effects and done a rescan. All my VST effects have been picked up as DX effects courtesy of Sonar's far superior wrapper... and they work better. Audition itself runs WAY faster than before now that I have disabled VSTs. Strange indeed... but true.

eXT - mentioned above. The workflow in Sonar frankly tramples all over eXT imho. In my first hour after installing/registering Sonar 5, I recorded a two minute audio track, and two MIDI tracks, one using the fantastic Roland TTS-1 sound module bundled with Sonar, and the other using Reason 3 as a ReWire slave within Sonar 5. Not bad going for the fist hour

. All very easy indeed. and of course the ReWire bit isn't even possible in eXT at this stage

I'm very excited to have Sonar 5 on board alongside the other software that I am currently using, and I look forward to sharing the journey with all the other Sonar users here at KVR

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:00 am

thanx headquest...I'm gonna have to reread that and try it..

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:20 am

okay I did as you said, but avox still didn't get picked up...but now I have two vst folders in AA one under DX and one Vst...the avox suite has three that AA recognizes and I've been using the spin audio wrapper(though I haven't used them enoigh to have a regular method)...they all work flawless in Sonar 5 anyhow...

musiclinks · Post by **musiclinks** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:22 am

does sonar read VSTi's well, even some of the freeware ones?? Without my VSTi's I'm dead on the water.

musiclinks · Post by **musiclinks** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:23 am

I mean dead in the water

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:27 am

it doesn't pick up wisik 1 for some reason...perhaps 5.01 fixes it, but they say anthoer update is coming so maybe then

musiclinks · Post by **musiclinks** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:31 am

some choice, I can deal with the dingle dongle in cubase

or I can risk losing my VSTi's in SONAR. At least Sonar has a demo which is more than I can say for SX3.

A Good question is why SX3 has no demo since they have a dongle to protect it

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:32 am

I have Sonar 5 sitting in my DVD drive waiting to be installed. I'll see which VST's it picks up or not with my pretty sizable collection.

Devon

idobs · Post by **idobs** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:25 am

idobs wrote:...Sonar is usually rock-solid, although I've had minor glitches with the v5 upgrade. I'm not worried at all though, because I expect them to fix the last few bugs soon, as they always...

-Ido

Wow, that was fast. 1 hour after I posted this, they release a patch to update Sonar5 with fixes.

considering sonar 5 upgrade