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lebaron · Post by **lebaron** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:33 pm

So that other LONG thread on cracking down on warez is rather thought provoking, and rather general and abstract in nature.

Well here is a concrete event that just happened to me today. I'd be interested in your feedback as to the moral nature of the case.

Today a co-worker of mine liked my Norah Jones CD which was playing and asked if I could make a copy for him. I said, "No, I don't do that. That's piracy." He looked at me quizzically, almost shamefaced because of my response. To my mind, I think he was thinking that it was a compliment to me to ask for a copy because that means I have good taste in music, and to have me shoot him down was uncalled for, or uncouth of me.

I said, "Well, I'll let you borrow it for a while, no problem." He said, "Ok, I'll borrow it and make a copy and return it you." We both laughed a little as I said, "Oh no, that's cheating."

So here I am, thinking, I can't even loan my CD to the guy because I know he wants to copy it. I can't even be nice to my friend because I'd be knowingly abetting piracy.

You might say, "Well, you can lend it to him, and what he does with it is his matter. If he makes a copy of it, then he is choosing to do wrong, not you." But the problem is in this case I know that's exactly what he wants to do with the CD. I guess I could make him give me his word that he won't copy it, but isn't this just going too far?

Thoughts.

Bob

bleebsen · Post by **bleebsen** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:39 pm

Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:39 pm

I'd say, what he does is his business. I borrow/lend cds all the time and often mp3 them, but if I like them I buy them. You can't be responsible for what other people do, and there's nothing wrong with lending

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:41 pm

bleebsen wrote:Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.

how is that not piracy?

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:42 pm

Real life events of piracy are the worst.

on multiple occasions,in person, I've been called a moron for "actually paying for" FL Studio - No one my age pays for software, and not many pay for music.

The worst is when I'll have a store bought CD, and a friend will ask to copy it - If i was ok with that, I would of pirated it in the first place!

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:43 pm

Hey, it's only Norah Jones, she could do with the exposure

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:49 pm

bleebsen wrote:Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.

it is in the US - maybe not in germany?

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:02 pm

a girl at work said she'd give me a compilation cd of some stuff she likes. i think it's a good idea. it exposes me to artists i haven't heard and i can decide if i want to buy or not. however, i buy form itunes. i never buy the whole cd. just being a smart consumer is depriving artists of money

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:04 pm

^^we all do a lot of that though

Reverse Engineer · Post by **Reverse Engineer** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:12 pm

Not buying albums isn't being a "smart consumer" it's completely degrading the album format. There's songs on some cd's that NEED the previous/next track feeding in or out of it to make its impact, picking and choosing the "hits" from places like itunes is pretty vulgar. Buying from itunes et al and dismissing hard copy formats in general is pretty f**king disgusting also IMO. Think about it if you care.

butter · Post by **butter** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:12 pm

androidlove wrote:a girl at work said she'd give me a compilation cd of some stuff she likes. i think it's a good idea. it exposes me to artists i haven't heard and i can decide if i want to buy or not. however, i buy form itunes. i never buy the whole cd. just being a smart consumer is depriving artists of money

itunes doesn't put any more money into artists pockets than a cd would. It does put more money in the hands of the labels though. Basically, it's the same business model with a lower overhead and richer profit margins for the labels. If you really want the artists to have your hard-earned dollar, go see them live.

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:24 pm

butter wrote:
androidlove wrote:a girl at work said she'd give me a compilation cd of some stuff she likes. i think it's a good idea. it exposes me to artists i haven't heard and i can decide if i want to buy or not. however, i buy form itunes. i never buy the whole cd. just being a smart consumer is depriving artists of money
itunes doesn't put any more money into artists pockets than a cd would. It does put more money in the hands of the labels though. Basically, it's the same business model with a lower overhead and richer profit margins for the labels. If you really want the artists to have your hard-earned dollar, go see them live.

Better still, if the artist sells their material direct online, they can sell it for less and still make 3 times as much, because there is no thieving, lecherous record company to pay.

Ask Prince, as he has been doing this for a number of years and now finances everything himself, signing distribution deals only when he feels it necessary. You can download albums for $9.99 ($7.77 for members). The more artists do this, the less they will have to rely on the corporate scum that proliferate the corrupt business model we see all around us. The only drawback tho' is that artists who are not so recognised as Prince and who do not enjoy the kind of established fan base he does, still find it necessary to use the existing record company structure for the exposure and promotion.

The tide is turning, but we're not quite there yet.

NPG Music Club

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:24 pm

butter wrote:go see them live

i missed sum 41 and audioslave. damn it

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:30 pm

It only makes sense to make sure that record companies get their fair share. Record company executives give away large amounts of their disposable income to make sure that consumers and artists alike get everything that they deserve.

I'm sure they would do that even if laws and contracts weren't in place to make sure that they did. Record companies are famous for helping people. They need the money so that they can promote more esoteric music, and be freed from the chains of pouring their resources into formulated pop hits. Invest in Indie labels. All things they would be happy to do if only people stopped taking advantage of them.

And there are NO laws in place to protect the rich whatsoever. So ANY law that is broken, however benign it may seem, is only hurting you and me.

glurgle · Post by **glurgle** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:30 pm

Chase wrote:
bleebsen wrote:Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.
it is in the US - maybe not in germany?

Are you sure of this? I thought 'home taping' in this way was still legal.

piracy, again