piracy, again

[The Chase]

thats what im saying - it is illegal in the states.

[bucket]

how is that not piracy?

Because, like all bad things, it does not involve rum, buggery, or the lash.

[androidlove]

It only makes sense to make sure that record companies get their fair share. Record company executives give away large amounts of their disposable income to make sure that consumers and artists alike get everything that they deserve.

I'm sure they would do that even if laws and contracts weren't in place to make sure that they did. Record companies are famous for helping people. They need the money so that they can promote more esoteric music, and be freed from the chains of pouring their resources into formulated pop hits. Invest in Indie labels. All things they would be happy to do if only people stopped taking advantage of them.

And there are NO laws in place to protect the rich whatsoever. So ANY law that is broken, however benign it may seem, is only hurting you and me.

[Jbravo]

a girl at work said she'd give me a compilation cd of some stuff she likes. i think it's a good idea. it exposes me to artists i haven't heard and i can decide if i want to buy or not. however, i buy form itunes. i never buy the whole cd. just being a smart consumer is depriving artists of money

itunes doesn't put any more money into artists pockets than a cd would. It does put more money in the hands of the labels though. Basically, it's the same business model with a lower overhead and richer profit margins for the labels. If you really want the artists to have your hard-earned dollar, go see them live.

tracks downloaded from itunes actually results in quite a lot less money going to the artist than in the case of CDs, plus the label also deducts for the same overheads such as manafacture - even though there is none! Billy Joel once said that if the devil went into business he'd go into the music business...

[Hink]

Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.

it is in the US - maybe not in germany?

Are you sure of this? I thought 'home taping' in this way was still legal.

not in the us, that's why we were the last to get DAT, the RIAA had no problem with taping cds because it wouldn't be the same quality. They fought DATs because they would be giving up their digital masters, but to my knowledge they never won their argument. You are sill encouraged to record many things, look at dvr's, tivo (I have both) and dvd recorders. What it did do for the RIAA is to start the copy protection ball rolling.

I think you'll find if you read the laws it comes down to not being able to sell copies or publically distribute them. Where as with a friend it's not public but private and sharing. It would be near mpossible to police such a thing and even so the letigation would out cost the gains.

Really the RIAA is masking their true agenda behind a guise of falsehoods. That true agenda being the stopping of people like us, independant artists. They no longer have the manipulation of the "deal"...signing bands and holding their stranglehold on the industry. Read what they want, they want to stop all internet music trading, selling ect on line...not just signed musicians, but it would stop us from posting music and selling it on line as well...

[Josmoker]

It only makes sense to make sure that record companies get their fair share. Record company executives give away large amounts of their disposable income to make sure that consumers and artists alike get everything that they deserve.

I'm sure they would do that even if laws and contracts weren't in place to make sure that they did. Record companies are famous for helping people. They need the money so that they can promote more esoteric music, and be freed from the chains of pouring their resources into formulated pop hits. Invest in Indie labels. All things they would be happy to do if only people stopped taking advantage of them.

You're joking, right?
On the planet I come from (we call it "Earth") record companies squeeze as much money as they can out of artists and their executives have the board of directors approve huge bonusses for them even when the company is making losses.
They also have spyware install on PCs of users who legally bought the cds when they play and they try to get laws changed so they can spy on people more easily instead of finding feasible business models that will keep them from going down the drain.
rant over

cheers, jo

[bugbug]

Real life events of piracy are the worst.

on multiple occasions,in person, I've been called a moron for "actually paying for" FL Studio - No one my age pays for software, and not many pay for music.

The worst is when I'll have a store bought CD, and a friend will ask to copy it - If i was ok with that, I would of pirated it in the first place!

JOIN THE PIRATES AND GET A STUFFED PARROT FOR YOUR SHOULDER arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[Jbravo]

It only makes sense to make sure that record companies get their fair share. Record company executives give away large amounts of their disposable income to make sure that consumers and artists alike get everything that they deserve.

I'm sure they would do that even if laws and contracts weren't in place to make sure that they did. Record companies are famous for helping people. They need the money so that they can promote more esoteric music, and be freed from the chains of pouring their resources into formulated pop hits. Invest in Indie labels. All things they would be happy to do if only people stopped taking advantage of them.

You're joking, right?
On the planet I come from (we call it "Earth") record companies squeeze as much money as they can out of artists and their executives have the board of directors approve huge bonusses for them even when the company is making losses.
They also have spyware install on PCs of users who legally bought the cds when they play and they try to get laws changed so they can spy on people more easily instead of finding feasible business models that will keep them from going down the drain.
rant over

cheers, jo

I'm 99.9% sure he was being ironic

[Josmoker]

Josmoker wrote:
jplanet wrote:
It only makes sense to make sure that record companies get their fair share. Record company executives give away large amounts of their disposable income to make sure that consumers and artists alike get everything that they deserve.

I'm sure they would do that even if laws and contracts weren't in place to make sure that they did. Record companies are famous for helping people. They need the money so that they can promote more esoteric music, and be freed from the chains of pouring their resources into formulated pop hits. Invest in Indie labels. All things they would be happy to do if only people stopped taking advantage of them.

You're joking, right?
On the planet I come from (we call it "Earth") record companies squeeze as much money as they can out of artists and their executives have the board of directors approve huge bonusses for them even when the company is making losses.
They also have spyware install on PCs of users who legally bought the cds when they play and they try to get laws changed so they can spy on people more easily instead of finding feasible business models that will keep them from going down the drain.
rant over

cheers, jo


I'm 99.9% sure he was being ironic

I f**king hope so - still the rant was in order, needed to get that off my chest in this regard

[james0tucson]

Today a co-worker of mine liked my Norah Jones CD which was playing and asked if I could make a copy for him. I said, "No, I don't do that. That's piracy."

Copyright infringement is in one class of crime, and boarding ships at sea for plunder is in another.

Making a copy of the CD is not a crime. Making a copy *for your co-worker* probably is an action which could expose you to a civil suit.

[james0tucson]

go see them live

i missed sum 41 and audioslave. damn it

I really liked Audioslave and Chris Cornell a great deal, *until* I saw them live.

[The Chase]

Audioslave put on an awesome show when I saw them!

[james0tucson]

Copying a CD for a friend is not piracy. RIAA propaganda works beautifully.

it is in the US - maybe not in germany?

Are you sure of this? I thought 'home taping' in this way was still legal.

You cross the line across "legal" when you distribute the tape. In the OP's example, he is wrong that it's piracy (an international crime if done at sea, a serious felony if done in domestic waters). But it is copyright infringement, in the specific case mentioned.

Hey, Norah Jones, Roy Hargrove, and Erykah Badu, all went to the same high school as me, so I guess I gotta stand up for the artist in this case.

[Dunbar]

"Home taping is killing music!"

ah, i remember the '80s - it's what the record companies claimed before the internet arrived.

unless your friend is planning to use the CD as a master copy for a counterfiet manufacturing operation, i think it would be nice of you to let him have a copy.

[eduardo_b]

So here I am, thinking, I can't even loan my CD to the guy because I know he wants to copy it. I can't even be nice to my friend because I'd be knowingly abetting piracy.

It's one of those small things in life that is attached to a bigger social/cultural issue. Under copyright law, you know you should only make copies for your own personal use. At the same time, you want to do something nice for your friend, who may or may not have money available for luxuries such as buying CDs.

I always come back to the "customer - not a customer" test. If someone wants a CD or software or (fill in the blank) enough, they'll buy it, right? Yes, if they can afford it, but no if they really can't justify spending the money when obligations like housing, food, transportation and so on have first priority. If it were me, and it was only a copy of one CD (and not a copy each of many CDs), I'd make the copy for him, but let him know you're not comfortable doing this, and tell him why. He'll appreciate your gesture and will not likley ask again.

Some will say that stealing is stealing, but I prefer to look at life in a less inflexible manner when possible. So, with a CD from Sony BMG, I might be tempted to make multiple copies and leave them by the coffee machine one morning as an early holiday present for co-workers.