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bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:31 am

I'm a grandfather and I

the Beatles.
However I do cringe when I walk thru the house and hear some of the stuff my kids listen to.

opia · Post by **opia** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:33 am

I don't mind so much the music these kids today are making
but that new trend of urinating your pants onstage,oy
that has to go
In my day when people performed on stage they wore nice clothes
some jeans...maybe a tie-dye..and they did not urinate in them during the song

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:25 pm

opia wrote:I don't mind so much the music these kids today are making
but that new trend of urinating your pants onstage,oy
that has to go
In my day when people performed on stage they wore nice clothes
some jeans...maybe a tie-dye..and they did not urinate in them during the song

Only urinating? Wouldn't be it funnier if they'd start to defacate and ejaculate too?

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:34 am

the thing that was great about "pop music" in the 70's was the variety of styles that made it to the Top 40...you had quality like Elton John and the BeeGees, garbage like uhhh, i don't know, Bay City Rollers or the Village People, tons of one hit wonders ("Life is a Rock" by Reunion), country songs, nuns (the Lords Prayer), Kraftwerk,rock instrumentals like "Hocus Pocus" and "Frakenstein", lots of dance tunes, Foghat and Bad Company, ...shit, it's so different today...there is little variety....

do i just sound like an old fukk?

rg

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:24 pm

yes!

kinda like when I just got into electronic music and i thought the only genres in it were trance, house, and jungle. Ya dig?

selfconstruct · Post by **selfconstruct** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:39 pm

That guy from the Jesus Lizard, he used to do the "tight and shiny" on stage. That's not music; that's just self abuse.

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:11 am

Chase wrote:yes!

kinda like when I just got into electronic music and i thought the only genres in it were trance, house, and jungle. Ya dig?

no...

i like tons of other stuff, but i also i really like the production/songwriting/musicianship of '70s AM pop and VARIETY of that era as opposed to current popular media trends, and sure, it has a lot to do with my personal taste as well...i don't have the luxury of hearing all new underground stuff, but i'm sure quality and innovation still exists...but the music business has changed, there is much less long term artist developement, and radio station programming has also gone more for the safe bet/lowest common denominator/big $$$....forget about electronic/dance/hip hop-listen to a "new country" station if you wanna be bowled over by a giant, bland wave of well-digested SHIT

maybe i may sometimes sound like "those damn kids and their samplers, they don't know what good music is", but i like to think i have enough sense to know what sucks and what don't...some jazz dude said "there's two kinds of music: good and bad" and i tend to agree (but i kinda like lots of "bad music" as well, guilty pleasures and such)

ya know, i ain't exactly sure what threads you were talking about in your original post to be honest....but i thought you were refering to "popular music" and current stuff (like destiny's child, gwen stefani, etc, i think that might be what you were refering to?) and people ripping on it, sorry if that ain't the case...i don't get your example of "trance, house, and jungle", that wasn't what i was talking about...whatever....

EDIT- one thing i forgot to mention is "shelf life"...i feel modern popular music has become as disposable as a bic lighter...this is not to say this throw-away pop song situation didn't exist in the 60s or 70s and basically from the inception of the "pop song", but if you look back at the 90s or the early 00s, how much "classic rock" or "timeless oldies" or "unforgetable music" or "standards" are being produced NOW? beyond the martketing, beyond hype, beyond hair and clothes, what music from "today" will be relevent in 20 yrs? 30? 50? the built-in obsolesence invented by mass marketing/manufacturing has leaked into all aspects of society, including "pop music", don't take the critisim so hard, it ain't you... it's THEM!!!!

rg

sorry,
rg

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:47 am

selfconstruct wrote:That guy from the Jesus Lizard, he used to do the "tight and shiny" on stage. That's not music; that's just self abuse.

Ignore David Yow (though his words can be hilarious) and listen to the three musicians play together.

That band was one of the most talented, aggressive, and groovy of all time.

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:32 am

herodotus wrote:
selfconstruct wrote:That guy from the Jesus Lizard, he used to do the "tight and shiny" on stage. That's not music; that's just self abuse.
Ignore David Yow (though his words can be hilarious) and listen to the three musicians play together.

That band was one of the most talented, aggressive, and groovy of all time.

i had heard of the "tight and shiny", glad to know it wasn't simply urban myth...

but don't forget david yow! he's the guy who adds the atonal wail/punk rock vibe to the band...without him JL would be lumped in with all the other "math rock" bands...as talented as the musicians are, they understand a good front man can be the focal point, the audio punctuation and anchor of the songs, the "gimmick" that attracts fans, ie the reason we are even discussing jesus lizard as opposed to ending up some guys that played a few local shows their friends attended... besides, as gimmicky as he may appear to some, the JL instrumentalists most likely WANT that type of post-iggy (added to "red" era king crimson) element in their big, bad ass rock'n roll band...is it that hard to understand?

rg

Van Greco · Post by **Van Greco** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:03 am

Wow, you guys are talking about the jesus lizard in a pop music thread. Somehow this makes me feel that truly all is right in the world. I think I can go to sleep now.

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:11 am

Chase wrote:^^text book non-conformist ROFL

serious- what is "ROFL"?

thanks,
rg

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:13 am

It's a web acronym just like "LOL" or "OMG" standing for "rolling on floor laughing"

Its also fun to admit that you've rofl'd when you do so.

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:49 am

Chase wrote:It's a web acronym just like "LOL" or "OMG" standing for "rolling on floor laughing"

Its also fun to admit that you've rofl'd when you do so.

thanks! i'm still catching up...

dum ta da dummmmm... ROFL!!!!!!!!

(edit)from another thread- "LMAO" now it got it!

rg

synthpulse · Post by **synthpulse** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:46 am

I may be the exception, as a grandfather, but my 2 son's were raised listening to what I played in our home and in the car....always on..., and we've always shared tapes and CD's, and hence musical tastes. My oldest son is 31 now. He loves and shares Boards of Canada, autechre, Warp stuff, etc...with me, and I share all my electro-pop and oddball pop with him. I'm grateful that my tastes have always been on the fringe, whether it was British Invasion, raw proto-punk garage rock (Love, MC5, Pretty Things), 60's psychedelic, early "new wave", early German synth pioneers, proto-techno-industrial, etc...
My point is, when it was created, all of these types of music were considered "underground", alternative and groundbreaking. If you compare '63-'67 Beatles with other "pop" of the era, it's so obvious why they changed the way pop music was composed and produced. They were a sensation simply because they were completely different than anything that came before them. It may be hard for anyone not raised in the 60's or 70's to relate to how influential bands like Pink Floyd (circa '67) or Tangerine Dream or the Velvet Underground, etc.. were, and of course Kraftwerk, Ultravox, Depeche Mode, and Derrick May & Juan Atkins and those guys (and a huge list of others).

So, there is disposable crap, and there is music that shapes and influences creative musicians. I love trance & EBM. I love the best of electro-Gothic (XYMOX!). What have I bought lately? Garbage, Ladytron, AlpineStars, Air, Christopher Lawrence, and......Depeche Mode, and a lot of other, varied stuff. I DO NOT listen to commercial (Clear Channel programmed) radio. I DO listen to Sirius's "Left of Center" channel to find new and exciting pop that appeals to me. I love it. I love electronic music, but it's getting harder to find things I like. I can't keep up with all the genres and sub-genres. Chase and many others here on KVR know all this fractured-genre stuff. I get lost trying to find what I like. But, if it's related to intelligent, well-produced trance or pop, for example, I'm all for it. My son is a KVR member too. He also has a home studio. When we get some free time, we'll create tracks together (he's a wicked beat programmer). I expect my grandaughter and grandson will be making music too; it's in their blood.
So, I think my point is: We can trash old (and new) crappy disposible pop music, but please respect the importance of the musical pioneers that have shaped the best of modern music; the daring and experimental artists that have pushed the envelope of creativity, regardless of trends or commercial appeal. Just because some "underground" artists achieve success, it doesn't diminish the influence they have had on other musicians. I feel fortunate that the "family tree" of music that I have chosen to listen to since the early 60's has been filled with all the masters, and, at the old age of 48, I hope I can continue to find new music that that gives me chills down my spine; music that makes me want to make music. How many my age have (at the moment) Garbage, Photek, Timo Mass, Juno Reactor and the Cure in their CD players? Nobody I know my age can relate to what I listen to, but then again, it has always been that way for me. (flashback to high school: "Dude, that Bowie fag shit sucks, you need to listen to the new Foghat album!).

Sorry if this sounds "preachy", but music is a major part of my life, and defending my musical family tree is something I have to do. Enough said.

I'm ready to be flamed. Here's the lighter...

Disclaimer: Whenever I have said "you" in the above rant, I AM NOT directing it to any one person in particular; just in general to all those with no comprehension of our rich musical history and it's evolution.

OK... light 'em up.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:06 am

My daughter did go through a pop (Britney/Spice Girls/Busted type crap) phase when she was 11-13 but now she's matured I find her tastes and mine are pretty much the same as far as modern music goes - I got her into System of a Down, The Roches and Nirvana and she got me into My Chemical Romance and Dresden Dolls. And she's always loved Bob Dylan and Kate Rusby so she has taste. Now I know she likes Dresden Dolls I'm trying to persuade her to listen to Utte Lemper

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