KVR Audio

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:13 pm

I've been thinking about this for a while now...group buys are awesome, I have been a part of only one though. So it's get me to thinking, there are many developers here we know their work, we know them and we trust them.

However what's to stop someone from cracking a piece of software, make a few gui changes, post a demo, have a group sale and skip off with our money?

As far as community members I feel 99% secure, as far as the developers that have been the bread and butter of kvr I am 99% secure.

But look at some of the spam you get. I haven't used AOL in a long time, one reason was the spam I use to get...almost daily "we have lost you records, please send you cc number and password to us to update our records. When you clicked the link it looked exactly like AOL...but it was a scam.

A con artist could set up a dummy piece of software that's a cracked version of something else, create a dummy site (even a site that looks like another companies) and take group buy orders. By the time we knew they were not for real they would be gone. It might be hard to catch them depending on where they are from and even harder to get the money back.

I'm not suggesting a witch hunt, but I wonder if we should be a little more careful as more unknown developers appear or is paypal and secure checkcards/credit cards enough protection?...your thoughts?

splattabreakz · Post by **splattabreakz** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:16 pm

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:20 pm

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:27 pm

Hink,

Your arguments are true for any piece of software that one can purchase on-line. Group buy status doesn't change it a bit; at least I can't see what difference it makes. There is the bit of time delay that comes with a group buy - perhaps that's what you are referring to?

-Scott

Equilibrium · Post by **Equilibrium** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:29 pm

20,000 people in Africa die every day, there is war all over the world, the planet is heating up faster than ever before in recorded history and to devistating effect.

This problem that could happen, isn't really a problem at all is it.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:34 pm

I'm not arguing or stating anything, I'm asking how secure we are from such a con....the reason I say group buy is because they get a large lump sum from all those who are part of the buy. I'm concerned instead of selling us a product they developed they sell us a modified cracked version. I really don't think it's paranoia...but there are so many scams out there that I am careful who I do business with offline...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:35 pm

Hink wrote: However what's to stop someone from cracking a piece of software, make a few gui changes, post a demo, have a group sale and skip off with our money?

The fact that its ten thousand times easier to phish for gullible ebay and net banking users...

Equilibrium · Post by **Equilibrium** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:36 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Hink wrote: However what's to stop someone from cracking a piece of software, make a few gui changes, post a demo, have a group sale and skip off with our money?
The fact that its ten thousand times easier to phish for gullible ebay and net banking users...

I was thinking that. If it's piracy your into, I'd stay well away from KVR.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:42 pm

Equilibrium wrote:20,000 people in Africa die every day, there is war all over the world, the planet is heating up faster than ever before in recorded history and to devistating effect.

This problem that could happen, isn't really a problem at all is it.

this problem that could happen isn't really a problem is it?

thinking about that...do you put a condem on after sex?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:45 pm

Equilibrium wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Hink wrote: However what's to stop someone from cracking a piece of software, make a few gui changes, post a demo, have a group sale and skip off with our money?
The fact that its ten thousand times easier to phish for gullible ebay and net banking users...
I was thinking that. If it's piracy your into, I'd stay well away from KVR.

so the general feeling is we are quite safe..okay...

Like I said I'm no arguing a point, just wondering...

Equilibrium · Post by **Equilibrium** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:02 pm

I haven't a clue.

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:08 pm

I think we're safe, just because it'd be too much of a hassle doing all that when they could sell their cracked copies over eBay or something. Then again, scammers have been known to put a lot of work into scamming people, so who can really say?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:13 pm

a fool and his money are easily parted.

if someone comes to kvr starts a group buy and then runs off with the cash anyone who joins only has themselves to blame if they get nothing back.

using the psp group buy as an example, a gut came here(cant remember his name sorry) nothing to do with PSP at all but said he had worked out a deal...
do you think i signed up before id been in touch with psp and made sure that if this guy did run psp would still honour my purchase and that they had agreed in the first place.

people who get conned are gonna get conned whether it be on the net or at the front door, gullibility is not restricted to computer musicians

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:14 pm

HI

If the demo works fine - what's the problem?

Assuming you get a fully featured and supported working version.

Flipper.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:32 pm

I think it could be done, but that it would be an odd, low-yield way to mulct a buncha suckers. First, so many of the devs are right here. They'd likely speak up if something weren't kosher. Also, folks here tend to be wise in the ways of the world, wahay wahoo... as demonstrated above (vurt & PSP). Then there's this: the more people who are aware of each other (and who can communicate with one another) are being targeted by a scam, the more delicate becomes the con artist's balancing act; one figures out the angle, everyone learns about it PDQ and the gaff is blown.

Much much easier and more lucrative waters exist in which to fish (or phish) than here at KVR. :-)

Not to say it couldn't happen. But I'd expect artistes de ripoff to go where the big money is. Which this year is "personal sidewalk sales agency" of counterfeit Rolexes. Hey, BRB, there goes a potential customer. Hey, mister -- check out these! *displays coat lining*

are we ripe for the picking?