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Blank_Frank · Post by **Blank_Frank** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:49 am

....so, so glad i got kids to influence, funny the dad telling kids that the music is too woosey and lite-rockish....

As I grew up I was fully prepared for telling kids to turn their music off because it was just a load of noise...what I wasn't prepared for was complaining that it was too bland.

ross g wrote:i don't think punk was a flash in the pan, Black Sabbath has as much an influence as do the Velvets/Stooges imo, as does rockabilly, Hank Williams, Ornette Coleman, etc...the spirit is alive, just dormant...she will rise again, our lovely muse...

I'm not saying that there won't be other things to surprise and delight us in the future. I'm just saying the music business is now better geared-up to pounce on it, and sell it back to us.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:53 am

The DIY music ethic of punk, the sexual deviance and the iconaclastic politics were what shocked society at the time. The fact that teenagers were singing about anarchy, abortion, sexual deviance and destroying figure heads of society caused outrage.

I doubt that any musicians before punk name-checked terrorists organisations in their number one pop song. Having said that though, Bob Dylan was highly political and stuck two fingers up to the establishment during his heyday.

The Pistols were working class teenagers not cynical middle-aged, middle-class Guardian readers. That was what put the wind up the establishment. How dare these working class oiks have an opinion!

If only the 18 y/o chavs of today could do more than one finger texting. They seem to be a generation of burberry wearing morons who think shooting each other is cool. God help us!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:00 am

See, I consider Johnny Cash to be truly punk, even though he didn't jump off amps or wear british flags on the back of his leather jacket.

I'm not sure about the Pistols, kinda like the music, but they're not punk in my eyes, not when they were put together in the same vein as Pop Idol or X Factor.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:03 am

Andrew Vernon wrote:See, I consider Johnny Cash to be truly punk, even though he didn't jump off amps or wear british flags on the back of his leather jacket.

I'm not sure about the Pistols, kinda like the music, but they're not punk in my eyes, not when they were put together in the same vein as Pop Idol or X Factor.

I'd say that Johnny Cash was country and that the Pistols were punk.
Call me literal if you like.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:05 am

Literal if you like.

Anyways, the solution to not letting the music industry rape music is to not let them sign you!! But no... you want to make money from your creativity, lol.

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:08 am

Take it nobody has read anything by Lester Bangs then??

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:20 am

Bunnyboy wrote:Take it nobody has read anything by Lester Bangs then??

uhhh...ain't it obvious....

i have?

the only thing i read over and over were the liner notes to the ROIR Suicide casstte...but, i read practically his whole book in the library one day, and i do recall reading him in the 70's although i was pretty young and memory is fuzzy....i know his quote "beatlemania killed john lennon" which brings me back to "the ballad..."...anarchy? who can afford it?

rg

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:25 am

I was in the gym the other day and one of the young asian instructors called me 'bredren'! I don't know what's worse, me going to the gym or him calling me 'bredren'. This was Holloway Rd not Trenchtown. The young lad seemed schizophrenic in his desire to be something he's not. Perhaps an identity crisis is what all young people go through. We're doomed I tell you! Doomed!

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:08 am

Lovesign wrote:I like Coldplay too. The 2nd album was immensely listenable and a great sing a long in the car. X+Y is growing on me in similar fashion.

I often get shot down in flames when I say that I absolutely detest Radiohead. Their songs are dull, uninspired, wrist slashing drones and they are far too "pretentious" & "serious" than they need to be. Not my cup o' char.

(runs and ducks for cover !!)

I know that opinions are opinions, but I just don't get this.

Have you heard The Bends?

You really think the songwriting on Coldplay's second album is more 'inspired'?

Wow.

But as they say, 'variety is the spice of life...'

keiths · Post by **keiths** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:56 am

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DWb · Post by **DWb** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:31 pm

munchkin wrote: The Pistols were working class teenagers not cynical middle-aged, middle-class Guardian readers. That was what put the wind up the establishment. How dare these working class oiks have an opinion!

If only the 18 y/o chavs of today could do more than one finger texting. They seem to be a generation of burberry wearing morons who think shooting each other is cool. God help us!

Yep. Punk in '76 was important and exciting because it was working class, teenaged, didn't fit in with what adults / the establishment thought the kids should be doing, didn't even sound like what the adults / the establishment thought was music.

On the other hand, grime, hip hop and trance are idiotic non-music because they're made by and chav kids from estates who should be making 'proper' music and not going on about guns and drugs.

Trojan Badger · Post by **Trojan Badger** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:35 pm

...and yet one of the attendees in the Sex Pistols first ever gig in Manchester (apart from Joy Division and the Buzzcocks) was Mick Hucknall.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:58 pm

Blank_Frank wrote:As I grew up I was fully prepared for telling kids to turn their music off because it was just a load of noise...what I wasn't prepared for was complaining that it was too bland.

Funny

Personally I was never really into punk - kind of dug some of the politics & all that, but I preferred musicians who could play & singers who could, well sing - or at least shout in key/tune etc.
Plus most of the punks I knew personally were either completely braindead original gluesniffers (or sniffed gas) or were really pretentious arty/punk anrchist types who had a tendency to dissapear up each others arseholes, when they weren't gazingly lovingly into grubby little navels.
I was more of a ska man around that precise time - again a difference between a lot of the music I grew up listening to & most of 'the kids' music today is that there were a few songs taht actually had some deeper meaning or message, even if they only simple songs - 'a message to you rudy' 'toomuch too young', 'mirror in the bathroom', 'stand down margaret', ' the earth dies screaming' 'king' etc.
Even a lot of the reggea I listenend to had some political or social message, certainly early aswad & most definately Bob Marley.
Guess there is still a lot of underground hip hop with a message, & some reggea - but a lot of it just seems to be 'yo big mama wind & grind you big fat bottie in my face' kinda lyrics - shit.

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:14 pm

Andrew Vernon wrote:See, I consider Johnny Cash to be truly punk, even though he didn't jump off amps or wear british flags on the back of his leather jacket.

I'm not sure about the Pistols, kinda like the music, but they're not punk in my eyes, not when they were put together in the same vein as Pop Idol or X Factor.

Well, their manufactured state may disqualify them as having a "punk ethic" to some, but there is no denying that the music they were playing was punk rock, and to me, that's what makes them still enjoyable. "Punk Ethic" does not always equal "Punk Rock".

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:40 pm

Voidoid Surrealist wrote:"Punk Ethic" does not always equal "Punk Rock".

and that is the most important part

ross g wrote:uhhh...ain't it obvious....
i have?

the only thing i read over and over were the liner notes to the ROIR Suicide casstte...but, i read practically his whole book in the library one day, and i do recall reading him in the 70's although i was pretty young and memory is fuzzy....i know his quote "beatlemania killed john lennon" which brings me back to "the ballad..."...anarchy? who can afford it?

Lester Bangs was using the term "punk" to describe himself and his mates and the music that they listened to in about 1968-69. Suicide used the term to advertise a gig in about 1971.

Cash is equally as punk as the buzzcocks as rodan, as fugazi as kid606, as flipper, as aphex twin, as kathleen hanna, as don letts, as... you get the picture

Its just music for and by the kids. if its 3 chords in 3 minutes - cool. if its 20 minute guitar solos - cool

James Blunt