Vocoder

[AsianCarol]

I am planning to use a software vocoder for the first time.Can anyone tell me how this works with cubase? Thnx

[martian]

they can all operate a lil differently, are you using the one in sx?

[AsianCarol]

i bought the latest version of orange vocoder,but i can also use the one in sx.Is there much difference in how to use them?,and can i use my midikeyboard just like a hardware vocoder?

[scam_artist]

in some hosts you need 3 separate tracks for the vocoder to work. When you install the vocoder it may come up in the plugin list in some hosts as three separate plugin parts
- one track for carrier part of the vocoder plugin
- one track for modulator part
- one track for output part

Put these parts on three separate tracks in your host

Put a pad sound on the modulator track, and some speech on the carrier track. Now pan the carrier track full left, and pan the modulator track full right, and hopefully you'll have a vocoder sound! You might have to try panning them the other way around

The reason you have to pan with vocoders is so that the vocoder output receives a stereo signal and can deal with it as two separate mono inputs

this method works with many hosts and vocoder plugins...

[AsianCarol]

sound pretty complicated but i will try,yhnx for your reply

[scam_artist]

it's actually really easy once you get the hang of it i'm not an SX user so it will probably work differently in SX though... maybe check the manual?

[AsianCarol]

I will try ,and of course i check the manual :-)Thnx

[Music Engineer]

in some hosts you need 3 separate tracks for the vocoder to work. When you install the vocoder it may come up in the plugin list in some hosts as three separate plugin parts
- one track for carrier part of the vocoder plugin
- one track for modulator part
- one track for output part

Put these parts on three separate tracks in your host

Put a pad sound on the modulator track, and some speech on the carrier track. Now pan the carrier track full left, and pan the modulator track full right, and hopefully you'll have a vocoder sound! You might have to try panning them the other way around

The reason you have to pan with vocoders is so that the vocoder output receives a stereo signal and can deal with it as two separate mono inputs

this method works with many hosts and vocoder plugins...

this is exacly the way i use vocoders in cubase sx. but one little additonal thing: besides creating one track for the modulator and one for the carrier, i create a group track to which i route the two signals. in this group track i plug in the vocoder. btw.: on my website there is a free vocoder plugIn available in the manual of which i describe this procedure. the vocoder itself works with an adaptive filter instead of the classic filter bank approach.

[markroom]

akai dc vocoder is good

but you cant run any input trough it just the internal sounds but its still pretty handy.

[tahome]

yes you can control the OrangeVocoder with a MIDI keyboard but you need the latest 2.x version for that.

--th

[kritikon]

AsianCarol - you can do it with only 2 channels in SX. You insert the vocoder onto the channel you want vocoding (say a drumloop etc). Then you route the output of another channel (say, a pad) to the vocoder to control it (in the mixer, where you route the output to Busses - get the drop down menu, and the vocoder should be a routing option) The channel that's routed to the vocoder won't be heard (although you can make it heard either by sending it to a group channel, or via the bleed-through on the vocoder).

The SX vocoder gives you the option of using audio to control it, or midi or both...I don't know the Orange vocoder, but I would imagine its options are similar. If you use a midi keyboard to control the pitch, you simply assign the output routing of the midi channel to the vocoder in exactly the same way as an audio channel.


Personally I really rate the Cubase vocoder...I prefer it to all others I've tried (although I haven't demoed that NI one yet...).

[n-04:05:03:05:7]

I like the SX Vocoder too and I have tried most of them. The Waves Morphoder is better I think but its price tag is a bit high, as usual. Sure, Vokator is great but it's so much more than a simple vocoder..

AsianCarol, you'll find a "step by step" in the SX's manuals for the Steinberg vocoder: "Effects_Parameters.pdf" > check the "Vocoder" pages. Very easy.

[pannewb]

Has anyone come out with a fully stereo vocoder? I know you can do the workaround, but that seems a little cpu intensive. (not to mention complicated)