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jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:22 pm

okay, I deserve a dunce cap then....

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:26 pm

No problem...

Here's a crappy pic of my home setup:

Rock · Post by **Rock** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:29 pm

jones-y wrote:
Rock wrote:
That's one reason I am leaning towards the Event Studio Precisions.
GC had those, but I didn't test them, because I hear that they have the Event family sound, which is what I'm trying to get away from. (I currently have the 20/20bas V1)

I don't get the impression the two sound much alike but here are a few other opinions quoted from gearslutz.com with a couple or pro votes for the Event Studio Precision 8's and one against.

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.p ... hlight=asp

Originally Posted by slaves666
I have Event 20/20 powered monitors, about 5-6 years old. I have a friend at Mackie that can get me a set of HR's at cost.....Is this a worthwhile upgrade? I've heard mixed reviews and I don't want compareable monitors.....I want better without the cost of Genelecs or Dynaudios.

Thanks.
IMO...It is only a 'slight' upgrade and a big step sideways.
Plus...I don't know what 'cost' is for HR824's...but they sell used for $800 pretty much all day long everyday.

I sold my almost brand new set for $850...This was months of trying sell them...That is just flat out the going street price used...

I suspect a pair of Event ASP8's would be a genuine 'upgrade' at a little more than a pair of used Mackies

no get at least bm6a....

20/20 are sounding wrong imo, I had 20/20p for a long time as my first monitor and after getting adam s3a, I'm hating the wasted time I had to use 20/20p that was plain bad and distorted sounding. Also PS8 were the same IMO.

mackies? e e no thank you.

why not bm5a? Well I'll break the rules now, because I didn't hear it !!!!, but the friends that I trust and I cursed the events with were saying that bm5a are very nice lyers. Sounds impressive somewhat on the kicks etc, but totaly out of "balance" with scooped mids. Take this as it is... just listen first, mix first and than buy.

I started with a pair of Event 20/20 passives as well and have to concur with matucha. I can't believe how much time I wasted working with those things. Sure they make things sound relatively good, but they do not translate well no matter how long you've worked with them. When it came time to upgrade I checked out all the usual suspects and ended up with the Event ASP8's. All I can say is don't for a minute think they are anything like the 20/20's.

The best advise I can offer is try out everything you can afford in your room. Do a couple of mixes and see what you like working on. Everyone hears things differently and there is no right or wrong if it works for you.

The whole thread is worth reading.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:45 pm

Yeah that's interesting. I did take a look at the 20/20 manual last night, and the 20/20bas has a very different frequency response curve than the 20/20p, and a lot more bass extension, so that may also be a part of it. Because to me the 20/20bas are pretty good monitors for mixing. My mixes always translated well, although I would sometimes have to go back and tweak the lowend after listening tests on other stereos (but I guess that's to be expected with nearfields to some degree). I just don't like the 20/20s for composing and producing.

sevenorchids · Post by **sevenorchids** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:47 pm

I went with the KRK RP-5's with the 10s subwoofer. Best of both worlds and the whole package for $499.00. If I need the subwoofer support, I have it. What I have found though is that, for the most part, I don't even need it in my room, which is quite small. The subwoofer is just barely on and I have more than enough bass.

I am very happy with my choice. Lots of connection choices and they are more than loud enough and the sound is very good but not terribly hyped (which is what I wanted).

Much better than my first monitors, which were the original Alesis Monitor Ones with the RA-100 amp.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:53 pm

sevenorchids wrote:I went with the KRK RP-5's with the 10s subwoofer. Best of both worlds and the whole package for $499.00.

I'm sooo jealous of you americans, what you pay in $ we pay in £ and then some

Interesting thread, I'm saving up for some budget monitors, and I'm considering everything from Truths to Event TR8s to the Bluesky Mediadesk.

The problem I have is my studio is my bedroom, and becuase I will be moving house in the next year and then probably after that with different job locations, i can't buy a setup for one room, it has to be transferrable.

Also I'm into writing breaks and drum n bass so need as deep a bass response as possible. I'm not interested in loudness.

Any suggestions always welcome

drjohnny79 · Post by **drjohnny79** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:43 am

thank you everybody. will consider all options and then decide..

drjohnny79 · Post by **drjohnny79** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:54 am

(just another small question

) For orchestral music, what qualites are most important in monitors do you think? Not the bass, I guess. But bass end shouldnt bee important either. Any opinions?

drjohnny79 · Post by **drjohnny79** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:57 am

Orchestral music is often more dynamic than multimized loudness compressed pop/rock/dance etc.. Dont know if that makes any difference when choosing monitors though.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:45 am

bmanic wrote: I've not checked the specs but I'm really suprised if they don't reproduce 60hz at least in a real world situation adequately (that is, not in an anchoic chamber where the exact specs are usually checked). Last time I checked them in the shop against the competition, they compared very well in bass response. Some cheap ones like the Behringer truths might go a bit lower but what good is that if the impulse responce of the behringer is a pure "whooooooosh" instead of accurate "thud!" of a kick drum?

IMHO bass response is is definately not the most crucial when it comes to mixing, as long as you get around 60hz and anything below that is extremely hard to monitor properly in livingroom/home-studio settings anyway! The most important thing is the accuracy between 80-3000hz and a nice distortion free 3kHz and above to reduce fatigue. Another important part is how well the monitor shows details, meaning, depth. The 3D element of a mix. At this, the genelecs are top notch, even the 8020 are about as good as money can buy. This is where the cheap monitors fail miserably. A good test is to play some later Steely Dan CDs over the monitors and see if you can spot the very subtle reverb/ambience on the snare drum.

Voxengo SPAN is a great tool that helps checking the deep bass in a home mixing environment, the fine tuning should eventually be left to the true pro, the mastering enginer.

Cheers!
bManic

Hi,

as I agree with you about all the other things except the bolded part, I'd like to know why the low end is not that important? The response curve on 8020's drops almost dead straight below 66Hz, it's not a steady roll-off like on normal speakers...

http://www.genelec.fi/pdf/OM8020a.pdf

My living room is not the place for bass-heavy speakers, and like I said before the 8020's are great, but would it really be possible to mix chill, heavy, techno and the occasional breaks on these? Could I learn to control the bass frequencies by comparing with cans and my main hifi?

If I was a "pro" ie as in someone dealing with mastering engineers, I would not be having these discussions

Paulie Phonick · Post by **Paulie Phonick** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:33 am

Hunter wrote:Interesting thread, I'm saving up for some budget monitors, and I'm considering everything from Truths to Event TR8s to the Bluesky Mediadesk.

The problem I have is my studio is my bedroom, and becuase I will be moving house in the next year and then probably after that with different job locations, i can't buy a setup for one room, it has to be transferrable.

Also I'm into writing breaks and drum n bass so need as deep a bass response as possible. I'm not interested in loudness.

I'm exactly in the same situation - moving quite frequently, in need of bass response for occasional d'n'b situations and still can't make up my mind between Mediadesk and TR8s

Be sure to post here what you choose in the end and how it works out!

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:18 pm

Paulie Phonick wrote:
Hunter wrote:Interesting thread, I'm saving up for some budget monitors, and I'm considering everything from Truths to Event TR8s to the Bluesky Mediadesk.

The problem I have is my studio is my bedroom, and becuase I will be moving house in the next year and then probably after that with different job locations, i can't buy a setup for one room, it has to be transferrable.

Also I'm into writing breaks and drum n bass so need as deep a bass response as possible. I'm not interested in loudness.
I'm exactly in the same situation - moving quite frequently, in need of bass response for occasional d'n'b situations and still can't make up my mind between Mediadesk and TR8s Be sure to post here what you choose in the end and how it works out!

Will do that. Hopefully beginning of next year some time, I'm not sure if audio stores do january sales unfortunately!

Paulie Phonick · Post by **Paulie Phonick** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:08 pm

Cool, I'll be watching this space then. Most probably I'll be getting my monitors after my next move, around Feb-Mar. Unless of course those unsold as christmas presents TR8s happen to be on sale in Jan

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:37 am

pakana wrote: Hi,

as I agree with you about all the other things except the bolded part, I'd like to know why the low end is not that important? The response curve on 8020's drops almost dead straight below 66Hz, it's not a steady roll-off like on normal speakers...

http://www.genelec.fi/pdf/OM8020a.pdf

My living room is not the place for bass-heavy speakers, and like I said before the 8020's are great, but would it really be possible to mix chill, heavy, techno and the occasional breaks on these? Could I learn to control the bass frequencies by comparing with cans and my main hifi?

If I was a "pro" ie as in someone dealing with mastering engineers, I would not be having these discussions

If you do mix music that uses sine-wave for bass then the genelec 8020's would not be good enough as you might actually lose whole notes, simply not hearing them at all! However, most bass sounds have upper harmonics which the brain can use to recreate the fundamental and this way hear the tone. I don't know any homestudio's that reproduce anything under 60hz in a verifiable/trustworthy manner. It's extremely hard to fit basstraps big enough to damp these low tones so why bother buying speakers that reproduce these often offending frequencies? To check bass response learn how to use SPAN, play on headphones (most can reproduce down to 30hz) and check your stuff in clubs (go there early, before parties and ask the dj to play a snippet of your tune).

Cheers!
bManic

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:54 am

c_huelsbeck wrote:...I really liked the Truth sound... the Mackies are a bit more precise, specially in the bass area, but the Truth still have a nice low end. The KRKs I found too bright and nasal (Punk Rockers might like them), the Events and the Warfedales sounded ok, but didn't exite me. If you can afford the Mackies, they are the best choice of that pack in my opinion, but the Truth are not far behind and are a steal at their price...

Now who was it that was tearing my spleen out a month ago for suggesting that Truths sound similar to Mackies? URGH!

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