OK, basically, what I'm trying to do is what I read on this and other music forums, which is use another 'better' DAW's audio engine for mastering and exporting because of Ableton's relative tudness.
Thing is, I can't get this far to confirm whether it's the case or not, as whenever I use ableton as a slave, all vsts within it are disabled.
What's teh usual path for getting the sound to go through another DAW?
TIA!
Using Ableton as a slave in Sonar
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- KVRAF
- 2058 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Canada
Rewire and you can only use Live's native effects when doing so.
What do you mean by "tudness" ?
Live's engine sounds fine this end
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What do you mean by "tudness" ?
Live's engine sounds fine this end
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 201 posts since 11 Jul, 2004
Dunno. I'm listening to people on the internet again.
mind you, something that I did export recently with 'normalise' on sounded virtually nothing like the thing I'd made.
yeah, it was rewire I used - and only the native effects? so, in what situation would one slave it to anything, then? :\
Cheers!
mind you, something that I did export recently with 'normalise' on sounded virtually nothing like the thing I'd made.
yeah, it was rewire I used - and only the native effects? so, in what situation would one slave it to anything, then? :\
Cheers!
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- KVRian
- 624 posts since 22 Jan, 2003 from USA
I wouldn't normalize my render. It will definitely not sound like what you made because it ISN'T what you were listening to when you made it 
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- KVRAF
- 1868 posts since 26 Oct, 2002 from San Francisco
How many tracks do you have running simultaneously? The only way one host can "sound" worse than another is in summing, and it only really has any effect with many tracks. But even this is up for debate, many folks don't beleive it has any effect whatsoever. I ain't getting into that debate...
Decide for yourself. Records each track separately and import them into Sonar, compare the two results.
As for normalisation, the only reason it would sound different is because it's louder. Normalisation (as opposed to compression) does NOT affect the character of the sound.
Decide for yourself. Records each track separately and import them into Sonar, compare the two results.
As for normalisation, the only reason it would sound different is because it's louder. Normalisation (as opposed to compression) does NOT affect the character of the sound.
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- KVRAF
- 9593 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
You ain't but i am.But even this is up for debate, many folks don't beleive it has any effect whatsoever. I ain't getting into that debate...
Here's the deal,summing is adding 2(or more) signals.
If 1 sample is 0.7 and the other -0.3 the sum is 0.4 , right? This is the ONLY way to sum two signals together. Howelse could you possibly do it?
So how summing can differ between two hosts using the same bitdepth and and type(Integer/Float) is beyond me!!! It is simply not possible!!!
Period.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I own both Sonar 5 PE and Ableton Live 5.
While both are great hosts in their own right (with different strengths...) I can't personally see much point in ReWiring the two together, other than to use Ableton's Operator instrument within Sonar, I guess.
As for sound quality, I've not personally noticed that either one of the two is better than the other. Both sound just fine.
Of course they both have a pile of great effects, and I think it's a mistake to assume that its possible to get the best out of these without putting in a fair amount of effort to learn how they respond in a range of different programme material...
While both are great hosts in their own right (with different strengths...) I can't personally see much point in ReWiring the two together, other than to use Ableton's Operator instrument within Sonar, I guess.
As for sound quality, I've not personally noticed that either one of the two is better than the other. Both sound just fine.
Of course they both have a pile of great effects, and I think it's a mistake to assume that its possible to get the best out of these without putting in a fair amount of effort to learn how they respond in a range of different programme material...
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- KVRAF
- 1868 posts since 26 Oct, 2002 from San Francisco
Have fun with whatever poor sucker feels like responding.jupiter8 wrote:You ain't but i am.But even this is up for debate, many folks don't beleive it has any effect whatsoever. I ain't getting into that debate...
Here's the deal,summing is adding 2(or more) signals.
If 1 sample is 0.7 and the other -0.3 the sum is 0.4 , right? This is the ONLY way to sum two signals together. Howelse could you possibly do it?
So how summing can differ between two hosts using the same bitdepth and and type(Integer/Float) is beyond me!!! It is simply not possible!!!
Period.
I tell you what though, audio sounds SO much better out of a PC than a Mac
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- KVRAF
- 9593 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
Duh.....Intels runner hotter than Motorolas.Hence the warmer sound.Everyone knows that. But wait until Macs get Intel CPUs.......jackson wrote:Have fun with whatever poor sucker feels like responding.jupiter8 wrote:You ain't but i am.But even this is up for debate, many folks don't beleive it has any effect whatsoever. I ain't getting into that debate...
Here's the deal,summing is adding 2(or more) signals.
If 1 sample is 0.7 and the other -0.3 the sum is 0.4 , right? This is the ONLY way to sum two signals together. Howelse could you possibly do it?
So how summing can differ between two hosts using the same bitdepth and and type(Integer/Float) is beyond me!!! It is simply not possible!!!
Period.
I tell you what though, audio sounds SO much better out of a PC than a Mac
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 201 posts since 11 Jul, 2004
ah yeah, that's the word I heard bandied about - the summing isn't as good.
TBH, I wouldn't have a clue about that so maybe it's best that I just get on doing what I was doing before, but without the normalising stuff.
one thing I did notice though, was the the fact that it kind of gets red in the 'master' but pretty easily - one stylus and another VSTi and it just goes over - they're not THAT loud!
cheers all!
TBH, I wouldn't have a clue about that so maybe it's best that I just get on doing what I was doing before, but without the normalising stuff.
one thing I did notice though, was the the fact that it kind of gets red in the 'master' but pretty easily - one stylus and another VSTi and it just goes over - they're not THAT loud!
cheers all!
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
One thing I do - in either host - is shove the Kjaerhus Master Limiter on the Master track. It stops stuff clipping. If you set it on zero, it only affects the signal to stop clipping from happening by compressing the peaks. The sound - as always with Kjaerhus - is first rate and of course you can increase the threashold to get that maximised sound if you want to as wellduncanm wrote: one thing I did notice though, was the the fact that it kind of gets red in the 'master' but pretty easily - one stylus and another VSTi and it just goes over - they're not THAT loud!
cheers all!
Having done that it#s simply a case of watching the levels on the individual tracks to avoid them distorting, of course. Lazy I know... but it works