1.3 beta thread

[Maniah]

This is coming along nicely
I'm still fiddling around with it but right off the bat, is there anyway to have Liveslice "rec" transport sync with the host transport? So when i press play from the host transport, LS will start recording.

[Maniah]

Ok, this is weird but when i was trying out LS, it was working fine at first, but now when i record into it the loops don't show up in the slicer. I can hear that they are there i just can't see them displayed.
I've restarted EXT but to no avail.


I can load the sample FXBs that come with LS and they display just fine. It's just recording into it that there's no display of any loops.

[R.A.W.]

i've noticed it too, sometimes recorded audio isn't displayed. i tried several settings as it first seemed to be connected to the sync setting (manual or host sync - not the new button), but that didn't work out as expected. after some time it just didn't show any audio i recorded no matter what the settings were, also when recording to a slot where i previously loaded a loop the display showed the old wav instead of the recorded audio. sorry, i can't narrow it down.

one thing is a bit odd: i had stopped the transport in the sequencer (eXT latest beta 2-dec-2005) and just tried to set sync and pressed start/stop.. i would have expected that it just would wait until the transport starts, but instead it just recorded empty audio.

apart from that it's really great, nice work again, jacob!!

[Maniah]

one thing is a bit odd: i had stopped the transport in the sequencer (eXT latest beta 2-dec-2005) and just tried to set sync and pressed start/stop.. i would have expected that it just would wait until the transport starts, but instead it just recorded empty audio. Wink

Exactly, this is why i think syncing the host transport with LS start/stop or rec or whatever - (i'm not thiking straight today)
could be a nice feature.

[R.A.W.]

the stretch works quite nice.. i only got a FR regarding it.

right now it's not possible to see if it was used as it's not represented in the pitch env. e.g. load and lock a loop, go to pitch and randomize it, then click the stretch. the loop is pitched to fit the speed, but the pitch env lines stay displayed how the randomize set them.
could it be done that with the stretch-option LS automatically sets the needed max range for the pitch env, disables snap and sets the lines to the corresponding value?

[kejkz]

It would be nice if we could somehow change names of the recorded waves. It could get bit confusing with names like "recording 21:12:41" or similar.

And what do you people think about possibility to set the monitor out to any output channel, just like previewing waves? And another idea for monitoring: mute when LS plays it's arrangements.

I confirm problem with updating waves, it happens on new recording and overwriting. Everything works, just no wave.

Sync recording works perfectly in Tracktion and Buzz.

[Maniah]

And another idea for monitoring: mute when LS plays it's arrangements

+1

[R.A.W.]

another thing regarding the names of the recordings.. nothing really important, but i think it would be better to use leading zeroes
instead of "recording 20:5:1" it would be "recording 20:05:01"

And what do you people think about possibility to set the monitor out to any output channel, just like previewing waves?

this is a good idea, perhaps it would be enough if the preview channel is used to route the audio-in signal (only if the following paragraph isn't implemented ).

And another idea for monitoring: mute when LS plays it's arrangements.

that should be optional, i think. in some non-modular hosts it's not possible to route the output of another plugin or an audio-channel to more than one destination. e.g. when you want a synth to be played while still leave the option to record it's sound in LS, it has to be routed thru LS even when LS is playing.
another option would be to mute the audio-thru after a recording was made (with an additional button in the gui to unmute it again), that way it is possible to let a synth play thru LS, let it play some time and later record it.

[ohm]

thanks for all the input - I'll digest it all in the morning, and get back to you. Keep them coming

[TonyBy]

Cubase SX3.

Call me thick - but where is the audio supposed to come from when recording ??
LS shows up as an "instrument" rather than an "effect" in SX.
"Effects" can send/receive midi and audio - but "instruments" only receive midi, and send out audio (that - or I'm having a very bad day !!)
How are we meant to get the audio in ??
(maybe if LS was registered as an effect instead - or 2 different versions like with z3ta & Minimonsta & B4 which allow audio input).
... or is LS simply meant to record its' own output (in which case, that doesn't seem to be working either !!)

..BR in SX while trying to get it to work...
(with LS playing...)
Pressed the "rec" button
Pressed the "sync" button
Pressed the "effect" button
(the start/stop button lights)
Press the "effect" button again
(start/stop stays lit)
Press the start/stop button again to try to turn it off
Big crash in SX (LS is not allowed to be used at all until SX is restarted).

[R.A.W.]

... or is LS simply meant to record its' own output (in which case, that doesn't seem to be working either !!)

no, it's meant to record anything that's connected to it.

"Effects" can send/receive midi and audio - but "instruments" only receive midi, and send out audio (that - or I'm having a very bad day !!)
How are we meant to get the audio in ??

one of the reasons i stopped using cubase is this limitation - you just can't route everything like you could in the real-world using hardware-gear, mixers and cords
right now you can't use this feature in cubase, so i think ohm has to compile an effect-version of LS in order to make it work in cubase.
if you got energyXT, you could use an energyXT VST fx and you could route the audio using a send or a group. if you haven't got eXT you still can use the demo to check the new audio-in feature out.. http://www.xt-hq.com

..BR in SX while trying to get it to work...
(with LS playing...)
Pressed the "rec" button
Pressed the "sync" button
Pressed the "effect" button
(the start/stop button lights)
Press the "effect" button again
(start/stop stays lit)
Press the start/stop button again to try to turn it off
Big crash in SX (LS is not allowed to be used at all until SX is restarted).

cannot reproduce that in my retired sx2 or any other host.. anyone else having sx3 can confirm?

[TonyBy]

Thanks RAW - I'll wait for the "FX" version then.
I guess the FX version will also have to be stereo in / stereo out (no multiple outputs) which would be a shame too.
However, maybe one could use the fx version as an effect insert, and another instance as an instrument (as now) and drag/drop slices between the two ?? (soon !!)
PS
Stretch is an excellent addition !!

[ohm]

Here's a progress report, to make sure I don't miss anything important, and practice my written english

Waveforms not showing up
fixed - happened when the gui was closed and reopened.

crashes
surprised to get just one crash report, there was a nasty memory allocation bug.

sync
the reason I chose not to sync to transport was to allow the sync function to work even when the transport was not running.
I will change the behavior though, because I guess the most common use of the synced recording feature is to capture a programmed loop and reorder it in liveslice.

stretching
reflecting the change in the pitch envelope requires some annoying calculations that my brain couldn't work out at the late hour when I implemented it it is definately possible though, and I'm aware that it's bad gui design to not reflect all changes.

changing names of recordings
absolutely, I'll get to it when I implement saving of recordings - this is not possible atm. either

monitoring
I'll add two buttons: monitor (on / off) and auto mute (on off). It's definately useful if you want liveslice to "take over" a track in the middle of playback.
Additionally I'll add an output channel selector for monitoring. More flexible than just using the preview channel.
Loads of new widgets - glad I chose to create a new toolbar for this or the gui would be cluttered.

effect version
It sucks to have two different versions, but if that's the only solution, this is what I'll do. R.A.W. are you absolutely sure cubase does not support this? Sounds very strange - but then again: I just bought tassman (in the KVR marketplace), and that (by the way, absolutely fabulous) synth comes in two versions: synth and effect - so I guess it's the way to go.
[/b]

[fabi]

i guess eXT comes as a vst as well as vsti for a reason, too.

[ohm]

i guess eXT comes as a vst as well as vsti for a reason, too.

and so does LiveSlice 1.3 apparently. Now I'm pretty sure effects can have 8 outputs - forgot to write that in my original post. It's also possible that cubase will insist on only allowing two outputs from an effect - I wouldn't know.
The best solution to these kinds of cubase limitations is to get energy XT and use that as a mixing bus inside cubase - like tractions rack effects. Everyone should have energy XT in their setup - it's one of those essential tools.