Importing waves in Rhino

[tconrardy]

OK Tick: I'm bring it up here, so heres a copy and paste from our discussion on Instruments(Octopus) I am very curious now:

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tconrardy wrote:
One thing this has that those don't however is actual WAVE import...
( and yes..I know that Rhino can use waves, but in it's own format system)


Big Tick said:


Errr... Tim... Rhino can import plain old .wav files, you know that, don't you ? Smile
'Tick

TC said:
HEH.?? .no..I thought you had to use a utility app to create a special file that Rhino reads as wave content such as Daniel uses. I know that rhino can import a wave, and uses it as a sort of additive re-synthisis, but you mean you can import a wave file and use it as it sounds ( the actual wave) without using that utility?

Guess this belongs in the BigTick forum, and we can perhaps take it up there.

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so I'm taking it up here

[Big Tick]

Just look up "external waveforms" in the manual
'Tick

[tconrardy]

Thanks Tick...I never knew about this feature and will check it out!

[pummel]

TC wrote:

Thanks Tick...I never knew about this feature and will check it out!

WTF, Tim? That was the big addition in Rhino 2.0 -- sample based resynthesis. As one of the original contributors to Rhino, how can you claim not to know that?

[tconrardy]

TC wrote:

Thanks Tick...I never knew about this feature and will check it out!

WTF, Tim? That was the big addition in Rhino 2.0 -- sample based resynthesis. As one of the original contributors to Rhino, how can you claim not to know that?

I thought it was as you siad: Re-synthisis, and not playing an actual wave file AS IS.

To be honest..I still have not done my homework and looked it up in the manual yet

I know.. RTFM !! AHHHHGGGG

[Teksonik]

Don't worry Tim, you were right. According to the Rhino manual you can load .wav files but not without creating a .txt file first. So no you can't just select a .wav file from a list and use it in a Rhino osc....according to the manual. Remember the problems Frank had?

[liars&ashes]

----I was unaware of Rhino being able to import whole sample .wavs either. This something that I'd love to see expanded on a bit in Rhino 2.5 or 3

Jeff

[daniel]

All this sounds like a terminology issue to me; not a basic misunderstanding of Rhino.

Single cycle .wav files can be resynthesized and used as an User (additive) waveform. Multisamples of any length can be "imported" (added to the wave list) by use of a simple text file telling Rhino the split points and loop length. Once you get enough of these wave and text files they can be compressed into a vfs file. This is a great solution to hundreds of files in the "external" folder.

Doing this is not difficult with a little patience to learn to process, first.

[pummel]

I thought it was as you siad: Re-synthisis, and not playing an actual wave file AS IS.

OK Tim, I am in a better mood today. Lets try this again. You have misinterpreted what I said, so please allow me to spell it out:

Rhino can play an actual wave file (ie, a "sample")AS IS; and, it can also use this sample AS IS for resynthesis with its modulation, its filters, and FX. It cannot do DFD streaming. It does not support sample velocity layers. However, it does support keyboard sample splits and loop points. It uses a text file to associate actual ".wav" files with OSC preset selections; the same approach SFZ uses (unfortunitely, a different file format).

In addition to this, Rhino has always been able to extract frequency data from single cycle mono ".wav" files. I do believe all this is documented in the manual, including the necessary file format.

[pummel]

In many ways, Rhino is (and has been) like cakewalks new Dimension; except with 6 elements instead of 4. Whats missing is the sample content.

Daniel, how about a "pocket orchestra"-like bank for Rhino; something based on public domain real instrument multisamples of 1-2 seconds in length (with appropriate looping)? Maybe 12 instruments per bank, and then flesh out with ensembles and mangled versions.

[tconrardy]

I thought it was as you siad: Re-synthisis, and not playing an actual wave file AS IS.

OK Tim, I am in a better mood today. Lets try this again. You have misinterpreted what I said, so please allow me to spell it out:

Rhino can play an actual wave file (ie, a "sample")AS IS; and, it can also use this sample AS IS for resynthesis with its modulation, its filters, and FX. It cannot do DFD streaming. It does not support sample velocity layers. However, it does support keyboard sample splits and loop points. It uses a text file to associate actual ".wav" files with OSC preset selections; the same approach SFZ uses (unfortunitely, a different file format).

In addition to this, Rhino has always been able to extract frequency data from single cycle mono ".wav" files. I do believe all this is documented in the manual, including the necessary file format.

ah..yes... I knew about this, but it was not real clear to me. (I thought there was a utility, but its a txt file)so..you can..but you gotta hack it a bit in a txt file. )


but maybe a new version of Rhino could bypass this txt file process and allow direct loading with a dialog for setting up keyboard location, loop on/off, ect . Just an idea.

[liars&ashes]

but maybe a new version of Rhino could bypass this txt file process and allow direct loading with a dialog for setting up keyboard location, loop on/off, ect . Just an idea.

----Totally, two votes for that, more sample importing ease would be super cool and appreciated muchly

Jeff

[pummel]

Yes Indeed, a GUI for wav file import would be huge!!