Linux EXT?

[Germ777]

These are great news!!!!
I still have to buy the PC for this task, but I am already looking for the right distro.
I might go for either Debian or Mandriva, but will have to look into the differences/possibilities of each and figure which one would fit my uses best.
Any recomendations would be helpful at this time
Later dudes!
The Germinator

[djsubject]

will there ever be a fully GUI Linux?

i'm really good with computers, but linux is f**ked up

the only linux host i can get on with is DSL (dahm small linux) & even with that i can only install the apps that are added to the dsl install list (this list will install its self on line no need to kjkjhr.llakho;dlifouslkd=pfcjlkjgjf just to install firefox )

cant someone make a GUI installer for linux that uses a GUI to do the install of all installs <i think i confused my self>

that wiki for installing a kernal was verry helpfull! but for me to remember all that i might have to forget a lot to make room for it


Subz

[tetraplan]

will there ever be a fully GUI Linux?

Linux is just the kernel with the GNU tools, so no. That doesn't matter anyway- most distros take care of this, and the various desktop environments are great.

cant someone make a GUI installer for linux that uses a GUI to do the install of all installs

Something like Synaptic?

Groet, Erik

[djsubject]

will there ever be a fully GUI Linux?

Linux is just the kernel with the GNU tools, so no. That doesn't matter anyway- most distros take care of this, and the various desktop environments are great.

cant someone make a GUI installer for linux that uses a GUI to do the install of all installs

Something like Synaptic?

Groet, Erik

that Synaptic looks perfick Thanx

dsl is allmost fully GUI its just insalls i cant get my head round

i will read up & Synaptic & maby get brave & test it on my dsl (if its compaterble with dsl) <& if i can get the bloddy thing installed >

Thanx again

Subz

[Caleb]

Synaptic is a great idea. Reminds me of the package manager in Squeak.

However, it is limited to application distributions that are registered I believe so you'll still find all sorts of manual install and even manual build Linux applications out there.

Caleb

[jPod]

that Synaptic looks perfick Thanx

dsl is allmost fully GUI its just insalls i cant get my head round

i will read up & Synaptic & maby get brave & test it on my dsl (if its compaterble with dsl) <& if i can get the bloddy thing installed >

Synaptic only works with Debian based distros (which DSL isn't).

Ubuntu is currently the closest thing to a command line free Linux experience (it includes Synaptic as well as its own software install/update tools). MEPIS is also very good. Both of them have robust hardware autodetection and provide graphical tools for most configuration work. Each of them also has a live CD available if you want to try them without doing an installation.

[BONES]

It looks like we'll be supporting UBUNTU for the product I work with. I've never used a Debian based distro before but every RedHat based distro I've played with over the past 5 or 6 years has been pretty much command-line-free. SUSE has their RPM management tool thingy and GNOME and KDE have GUI stuff for doing pretty much anything. I should get my hands on UBUNTU and play around with it a little.

[jPod]

I've never used a Debian based distro before but every RedHat based distro I've played with over the past 5 or 6 years has been pretty much command-line-free. SUSE has their RPM management tool thingy and GNOME and KDE have GUI stuff for doing pretty much anything.

Ah, quite right. I swore off RPM based distros years ago, but I'm shure there are plenty of good quality ones out there. And yeah, it is the Desktop Environment as much as (if not more than) the specific distribution that provides the configuration tools.

I should have mentioned XFCE as well. It's another Desktop Environment which a lot of people like because it provides a good set of config tools and uses less resources than either Gnome or KDE. I believe it's available in most distros these days -- and if all else fails it has its own graphical installer which will download, compile and install itself with a minimum of fuss. You can even get Xfld -- a Debian based live CD with an XFCE desktop.

Synaptic is a great idea. Reminds me of the package manager in Squeak.

However, it is limited to application distributions that are registered I believe so you'll still find all sorts of manual install and even manual build Linux applications out there.

"Registerd" isn't quite the right word. Just to clarify a bit;

Synaptic is a graphical frontend to the Debian's APT packaging system (everything it does can be done via the command line as well). APT uses repositories which provide an index and metadata (description, requirments, conflicts etc.) for the packages hosted at any given site. Any number of repositories can be read from and APT will keep a database of packages available from all sources.

So what most Debian based distros do is read from the official Debian repositories for most packages and then their own repository for customized tools, updated or uncommon packages etc.. Lots of developers and users maintain their own repositories so you can just add their URL to the list APT reads from and have it integrated into the package database.

Basically, there's a very good chance that whatever you want is avilable through APT (or one of its frontends) without having to do too much heavy lifting.

The official Debian repos have plenty of music and audio software, and individual distros will often add other packages and updated versions.

Sorry to be long winded, but I really like Debian and have a lot of time on my hands.

[stanlea]

so give a look at the demudi project

[tetraplan]

Something like Synaptic?

that Synaptic looks perfick Thanx

Synaptic is great. It will show you dependancies, possible conflicts, and so on.

dsl is allmost fully GUI its just insalls i cant get my head round

Hmm, easy enough once you've done it a couple of times.
usually, it's "apt-get install bla".
If it's not in any of the repos, you'll probably have to download a .deb which you install with "dpkg -i bla" (after having done "dpkg --dry-run -i").

If all else fails, you'll have to build from source which is usually no more difficult than doing "./configure && make && make install".

i will read up & Synaptic & maby get brave & test it on my dsl (if its compaterble with dsl) <& if i can get the bloddy thing installed >

Thanx again

Subz

You're welcome, and good luck.

Groet, Erik

[Radek]

xt2 is win/linux and will be out early next year. Impossible to set a date at the moment. Its a complete redesign of v1.x

it will only support native linux vsts, but its possible to write a native vst that loads win vsts via wine I guess. xt2 comes with a synth/sampler so you can make music "out of the box". Ill make some example vsts with source code on linux when xt2 is public.

the midi/audio driver part of xt2 is open source, so anyone can add jack support for it (knowing c/c++ and jack that is). xt currently works with OSS only. Works great on kernel 2.6. I get very low latencies with it over here.

Ill post some screenshots soon.

cheers
jorgen

Thanks for it!!! Finally I will be able to ditch windows fully as I only need it now for DAW's works. Imho ext2 will be like a thermonuclear explosion...

[.jon]

Are there any differencies in performance between Linux distros / window managers?

I'll be probably installing Ubuntu on my VAIO for starters, but I couldn't evaluate the performance when trying a live cd. Is linux faster for general use than Win XP?

[jorgen]

Depends on the application and what toolkit and how much bloat it has

cheers
jorgen

[Radek]

Are there any differencies in performance between Linux distros / window managers?

Yes. Gnome and KDE desktops are nice however not that light on the resources (but hardly slow on today's machines). If someone want higher efficiency then of course there're other desktops/managers what are much less demanding.

I'll be probably installing Ubuntu on my VAIO for starters, but I couldn't evaluate the performance when trying a live cd. Is linux faster for general use than Win XP?

It's about the same, perhaps Linux is a bit better when running at heavy loads.

[fake]

Try a dedicated music distro!

DeMuDi = Debian Multimedia Distribution = latest low latency kernel and hard drive optimised by default, has Synaptic package manager and the latest software and drivers. You can also switch from the Gnome desktop to Fluxbox for a very low resource desktop.

@ jorgan:

Can you explain what you mean by "native linux vst's" as linux don't have vst support at all. It has it own LADSPA plugins which is a linux format not vst. You could compile ex2 to have dssi/fst and jack support which would then give you vst support through dssi/fst and wine.
It needs jack support for the routing capabilities or it will be pant's.
OSS is also old and has been abandoned in favour of Alsa/jack.


fake