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pseudonoise · Post by **pseudonoise** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:47 pm

I recently upgraded from Project5 to Sonar5 because I wanted access to better audio editing capabilities, and frankly I'm not enjoying the Sonar piano roll - at all.

So, I may be off to Cubase land. I'm just wondering if anyone has made the switch, and how it went for them?

arke · Post by **arke** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:21 pm

one of the reasons I didn't like the sonar piano roll is because I couldn't figure out how to turn off auto following. Press the scroll lock button

(I still prefer the roll of FL, but...)

jasonsantiago · Post by **jasonsantiago** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:42 pm

I think you will love cubase. I tried doing audio editing in sonar today and it was hard. I could not find ways to bind hot keys to snap on/off and quantization length. On cubase i constantly am chaning snap on and off and changing the quantization division. If someone knows how to bind these functions in sonar to keys let me know.

pseudonoise · Post by **pseudonoise** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:04 am

OOOOHHHH, I am liking this already! I'm using a crack to test it out, but Long and McQuade said they would give me 50% Cross-grade credit!

So far I'm finding the moving of patterns blocks around a bit more predictable, and the way it manages patterns is a bit more familiar (like Project 5 -

)

We'll see how it goes

vksf01 · Post by **vksf01** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:29 am

n will toggle the snap
shift-n will let you change the quantization length

jasonsantiago wrote:I think you will love cubase. I tried doing audio editing in sonar today and it was hard. I could not find ways to bind hot keys to snap on/off and quantization length. On cubase i constantly am chaning snap on and off and changing the quantization division. If someone knows how to bind these functions in sonar to keys let me know.

AngelicLight · Post by **AngelicLight** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:58 pm

I've switched from Sonar 4/5 to Cubase SX3 and I love it.

You'd thing that with a computer degree it would have taken me less than 4 months of tewaking, etc to get Sonar to function decently. In an hour or so I had Cubase working well enough to do what 3 months and 29 days earlier I thought SOnar would do.

Plus the interface is, to me, more "usable" and the documentation is more friendly to read and the writers seem like they go out of their way to make it easy for you while the Sonar manuals seem like they were written more "in the know" for those who already are familiar with their products...

I'm probably not going back, but in no way am I "anti-" Sonar and will still keep it installed and used just because I like music software.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:55 am

pseudonoise wrote:OOOOHHHH, I am liking this already! I'm using a crack to test it out,

Oh dear.

lawapa · Post by **lawapa** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:28 am

:)Oh dear.

What? I didn't do anything. could just ignore it and not say anything.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:02 am

hmmm.
Well this dude bought project 5 & upgraded to sonar & has already priced up SX.
& I believe the only demo version of SX available is still SX1.6 or something (or am I out of date here?), which is very different from SX3 no?
So I reckon this is one of those 'if you like it & are going to use it then buy it' scenarios, rather than 'i'm gonna tell the fbi & they're gonna take you away to gitmo & then extrajudicially rendition-ify you to a place that will make midnight express look like family night at butlins & your family will be sold into slavery & we'll all dance on your grave singing the bottom-police anthem'.
Don't you think?
Although a slap is needed for the fewkin stupid admission - no need to be so blatant really is there?

stash98 · Post by **stash98** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:35 am

i love cubase MIDI..it is so easy and finally my drums are nice and locked to whatever feel i want.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:26 am

In my opinion Sonar 5 was a major step backwards from Sonar 4. I spend all the money to upgrade and is now working in S4 again. Moving to Cubase is a viable option, just a pitty about the dongle.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:48 am

Sepheritoh wrote:In my opinion Sonar 5 was a major step backwards from Sonar 4. I spend all the money to upgrade and is now working in S4 again.

could you explain?

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:56 am

I'm glad I didn't make the jump to S5. I'm using FLS5 more than S4SE. S4 for is cool for audio recording but the midi work flow is

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:41 pm

stale bread wrote:
Sepheritoh wrote:In my opinion Sonar 5 was a major step backwards from Sonar 4. I spend all the money to upgrade and is now working in S4 again.
could you explain?

They changed a few things on the piano roll that made it a pain to work with. One of those things is the "snap to grid" settings. If you change the snap to grid settings, e.g. from quarter to 16th note, the grid display will remain on quarter notes. You now have to change it independantly. That adds many extra clicks to my working process which make it a PITA. The other one is the MFX. It now seems like an annual thing that Musiclab has to rewrite all their MFX plugs each time Cakewalk issue a new upgrade. I use their plug often and I simply can not use it now until they issue their upgrades.

The last, but lesser irritation, but one indeed, is that Cakewalk in their wisdom decided to change the layout of the piano roll, in the process removing the little display that indicated the cursor position. There used to be a indicator that told you that your cursor is now e.g. at note C4 and position 4:1:30 (measure & tick). Now you first have to select the note to see that info in the note inspector. Again, it simply adds a few extra clicks each time.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:45 pm

Sepheritoh wrote:
stale bread wrote:
Sepheritoh wrote:In my opinion Sonar 5 was a major step backwards from Sonar 4. I spend all the money to upgrade and is now working in S4 again.
could you explain?
They changed a few things on the piano roll that made it a pain to work with. One of those things is the "snap to grid" settings. If you change the snap to grid settings, e.g. from quarter to 16th note, the grid display will remain on quarter notes. You now have to change it independantly. That adds many extra clicks to my working process which make it a PITA. The other one is the MFX. It now seems like an annual thing that Musiclab has to rewrite all their MFX plugs each time Cakewalk issue a new upgrade. I use their plug often and I simply can not use it now until they issue their upgrades.

The last, but lesser irritation, but one indeed, is that Cakewalk in their wisdom decided to change the layout of the piano roll, in the process removing the little display that indicated the cursor position. There used to be a indicator that told you that your cursor is now e.g. at note C4 and position 4:1:30 (measure & tick). Now you first have to select the note to see that info in the note inspector. Again, it simply adds a few extra clicks each time.

I've noticed that on the piano roll in 5 you get the illusion that the notes are starting a fraction early, because of teh lighter shading at teh start of the note. its a bit confusing.

Switching from Sonar to Cubase: Experiences?