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Reverse Engineer wrote:
pj geerlings wrote:Hink, Thanks for the heads up!

And now, it's that time again ...

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Hink wrote:
arke wrote:John and Jane each want to buy a new car, and they both think that one of the new Acme Dashers might be a good car. They go to the Acme Car Sale shop and look around and talk to a few representatives. The representatives, of course, want to immediately sell them Acme Dashers. They refuse, because they doesn't know if the car will suit them yet. Seeing that they are very likely customers, they allow them to drive a Dasher for two days at a ridiculously low rent price. John drives the Dasher home, and drives around in it, and feels that it is a great car, so two days later he returns to the car shop and instantly buys one. Jane, however, finds that the seats are too uncomfortable, and returns it the next day and drives her old car. Of two potential customers, Acme got an order from one. Although the other one got to try a new Dasher, Acme didn't lose any money over this, and they also didn't lose any money from having John try the Dasher first and getting paid two days later. Had they not offered the test drives, neither John nor Jane would have bought a Dasher.

Clear enough??
so does that mean if a car dealership doesn't offer a demo or a test drive, you can just take any car you want? Say they do have demos, but you dont like the fact you have to call them, or report mileage or some other rule they impose. Can you then decide to just take any car, because they do offer demos so they wont mind, but going through the proper process is a pain?
No, you go to a different dealership that has an Acme and allows you to do that. Just because a dealership is not an Acme dealership doesnt mean they don't have Acme cars there. In the case of cars, the Acme Dasher was already paid for, in the case of software, the software is getting paid for after. Either way, payment proceeds, just at different times (and theres not really a real-life example of that aspect).

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arke wrote:
Hink wrote:
arke wrote:John and Jane each want to buy a new car, and they both think that one of the new Acme Dashers might be a good car. They go to the Acme Car Sale shop and look around and talk to a few representatives. The representatives, of course, want to immediately sell them Acme Dashers. They refuse, because they doesn't know if the car will suit them yet. Seeing that they are very likely customers, they allow them to drive a Dasher for two days at a ridiculously low rent price. John drives the Dasher home, and drives around in it, and feels that it is a great car, so two days later he returns to the car shop and instantly buys one. Jane, however, finds that the seats are too uncomfortable, and returns it the next day and drives her old car. Of two potential customers, Acme got an order from one. Although the other one got to try a new Dasher, Acme didn't lose any money over this, and they also didn't lose any money from having John try the Dasher first and getting paid two days later. Had they not offered the test drives, neither John nor Jane would have bought a Dasher.

Clear enough??
so does that mean if a car dealership doesn't offer a demo or a test drive, you can just take any car you want? Say they do have demos, but you dont like the fact you have to call them, or report mileage or some other rule they impose. Can you then decide to just take any car, because they do offer demos so they wont mind, but going through the proper process is a pain?
No, you go to a different dealership that has an Acme and allows you to do that. Just because a dealership is not an Acme dealership doesnt mean they don't have Acme cars there. In the case of cars, the Acme Dasher was already paid for, in the case of software, the software is getting paid for after. Either way, payment proceeds, just at different times (and theres not really a real-life example of that aspect).
exactly, so offering demos is advantageous for the company. If a company doesn't offer a demo someone else will, and face it, if a demo isn't available (any good audio software company or developer offers one) it's probably not even worth stealing (or "borrowing"). :shrug:
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you do realize that using warez also empowers the companies to charge more for protection...any use of warez (no matter if you agree with using cracked software or you dont) is an endorsement for warez and proof for the companies to use against us that protection is needed.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.

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"don't they have playgrounds where you live"
"Well maybe not, it means you're 3 years old"

Oh guys you really got me there. Repartee 101, I just wasnt prepared. So ferocious.

The post was aimed at pj by the way not arke.

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I want to punch, kick, jump on and smash everything you hold dear, but that doesnt mean I'm bad.

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Gimme wrote:I want to punch, kick, jump on and smash everything you hold dear, but that doesnt mean I'm bad.
OK - my bad - I meant 2 years old - sorry ....

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pj geerlings wrote:Acme Almanac is having a sales promotion. They want to broaden the public's awareness of their product. To this end, they print 100 coupons which entitle the bearer to a free copy of the upcoming 2006 top-o-the-line Acme Almanac. This is a really nice piece of work - a desirable tome to be sure! They account for the cost of this event (the cost of 100 Almanacs and coupon printing) in their advertising budget. It was a difficult and contentious argument to be sure - but marketing won out over accounting ;)

The latest copy of the Acme Almanac represented the hard work of many people, each of whom felt a well-deserved pride in a product that was clearly the market leader. Like most publishing firms, this company operated on a very narrow margin - success was highly dependant on reaching the sales goals of their latest publication. The substantial investment made by the company hung in the balance.

Some enterprising individual - lets call him "Sparky" - gets one of these coupons and, seeing that it is trivial to reproduce, makes a 1000 more copies. Don't worry - he works at a Kinko's Copy Shop and made the copies on his break. They are perfect copies of the original. Sparky is really proud of himself, he made these copies for "free" - ( Where are the irony police when you need them? ;) )

Sparky digs being a "hero" and passes out his counterfeit coupons to everyone he meets for the next three days ....

Acme Almanac - being a little new to marketing on this scale - did not realize how easy it was to produce an exact copy of the coupon. Not knowing which coupons were legit and which were counterfeit they are forced to honor all of them. They are also out of business. They did not budget for theft of this kind. Their employees are sent home - never to return.

Sparky, seeing the result of his thievery, rationalizes Acme's downfall as the result of an evil corporate structure filled with employee abuse and greedy mis-management of funds. According to Sparky, they deserved exactly what they got.

Clear enough??
Yes, I get it now! Finally... thanks for pointing out all the errors in my argument with such a well thought out and perfectly fitting analogy. Also, nice touch bringing up the Sparky/rationalizing thing again, a real eye opener. I clearly was rationalizing theft without even knowing it. It's all so much clearer now, silly me...

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This thread just keeps getting better and better. *gets popcorn*

:P
Mizutaphile.

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Ildon wrote:This thread just keeps getting better and better. *gets popcorn*

:P
Yes - it may get very interesting now ;) -- Save some popcorn for me!

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pj geerlings wrote:
Ildon wrote:This thread just keeps getting better and better. *gets popcorn*

:P
Yes - it may get very interesting now ;) -- Save some popcorn for me!
Get your own! Grr. :x :tantrum: :hihi:
Mizutaphile.

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I've got no friends, but I have popcorn.

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rbet wrote:I've got no friends, but I have popcorn.

:D
Ildon has not learned to share - I need popcorn - I'll be your friend for some popcorn, 'K? I'll even give you a free copy of NuBi LE

I love this thread - thanks rbet!!

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everyone in the world who has a \vstplugins folder on their hard-drive should have a free copy of NuBi LE 8)

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You can get all the free popcorn you want. Plant the kernels (seeds) 1/2 inch deep in cool, moist soils and 1 to 1 1/2 inches deep in warm, dry soils. Space the kernels 9 to 12 inches apart in the row. Plant two or more rows of each variety side by side to ensure good pollination and ear development. Allow 30 to 36 inches between rows. Add H2O and viola! Free popcorn. :hihi:
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pj geerlings wrote: Ildon has not learned to share
And don't you forget it! :x :lol:
Mizutaphile.

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