Philmarmonik - Volume/Pan Controllers question

[Hybernation]

This may be a stupid question, but it's driving ME crazy.

When I set up a multi in MP, CC#7 and 10 (vol/pan) do not work without a lot of clicking/fiddling. I have to click on EACH part, click the "control" thing, then click the "vol" knob, then assign CC#7. Same thing for pan. This is very annoying and time consuming.

In ST2 and SS2 these controllers are defaults, no?

Am I nuts?

[Rellik]

In MP VST, for me, CC7/10 have an effect by default, but only for a split-second at which point the vol/pan returns to whatever is displayed on the GUI, so it sounds all stuttery if you try to create a curve. I haven't tried manually mapping them, so I'll give that a try.

What I've found is that this works a lot better in the DXi version, if your host supports it. Vol/pan work by default, but the changes aren't shown on the GUI - you have to do your little MIDI CTL mapping trick to have it update the GUI.

[Hybernation]

What I've found is that this works a lot better in the DXi version, if your host supports it. Vol/pan work by default, but the changes aren't shown on the GUI - you have to do your little MIDI CTL mapping trick to have it update the GUI.

I could live with that, but I quit using the DXi versions of ST2, SS2 and MP long ago in Sonar, since there is a serious bug in freeze when freezing multiple tracks. I have reported this freeze bug over and over, and they have acknowledged it, but not fixed it.

So, I'm stuck using the VST versions, which is ok. If I could only the the vol/pan in MP to "Default" the way the ST2/SS2 does!

[Kim Lajoie]

I'm pretty sure Philharmonik should respond to CC7 and CC10 by default. That's strange if it isn't. I suggest you contact IK support directly and they'll go through it with you one on one.

-Kim.

[Rellik]

I'm pretty sure Philharmonik should respond to CC7 and CC10 by default. That's strange if it isn't. I suggest you contact IK support directly and they'll go through it with you one on one.

-Kim.

I've already been in contact with IK, personally - but they're very busy and don't really have time to fix bugs and such, so it's a better idea to try to find workarounds on your own.

Do those CC's work for you, Kim?

Merry Saturnalia-eve, KVR

[Hybernation]

I'm pretty sure Philharmonik should respond to CC7 and CC10 by default. That's strange if it isn't. I suggest you contact IK support directly and they'll go through it with you one on one.

-Kim.

They do NOT on my system using the VSTi version of MP. They DO on the VSTi versions of ST2/ST2.1/SS2.

The DXi version of MP works exactly as Rellik described.

BUT the DXi version of ALL these product includes the dreaded "Freeze bug" which I've reported multiple times over the last year and pretty much been ignored on (though they have acknowledged it's a bug).

I guess I was hoping someone would point out something stupid I was doing in VSTi MP to make the CC7/10 not default as I think it should.

Kim, do they default on your system?

Thanks
John

[Kim Lajoie]

Ok guys. I've tried it myself. CC7 and CC10 exhibit default behaviour as reported by Relik - the volume or pan is momentarily set, but then instantly snaps back to the value on the GUI. However, manually assigning CC7 to channel volume and CC10 to channel pan makes everything work correctly.

I'm using VST under Cubase SX2.2 on Windows XP.

So if you want to automate volume, just assign the CC as you normally would. Personally, I use the "Swell" macro (for AMV patches, it's already assigned to CC1 - modwheel). Not sure why you'd want to automate pan (except for strange special effects!).

Hope that helps.

-Kim.

[Hybernation]

Thanks to all that replied....some new information below...but first

So if you want to automate volume, just assign the CC as you normally would.

Like I said originally, this is fiddly...slows down the workflow. 7 and 10 should control vol/pan by default with no fiddling, just like in ST2/ST2.1/SS2.

Not sure why you'd want to automate pan (except for strange special effects!).

I agree. It's not so much that I want to "automate" pan, but I use a control surface (BFC2000) and I like for all my instruments to respond to vol/pan when I'm setting up a mix...it makes the "virtual world" a bit more real to me. And I like doubling things in MP and hard-panning left/right in the mix

ANYWAY, I reported this bug to IK and got this nice reply from Jason:

Dear John,

It is true that Miro VST has problems with the Volume, Pan and Macros CC. This was a very last minute bug and it is obviously something that should not happen this easily, we are working to make our work-flow always better and more efficient.
This said there are workarounds: setting (with midi ctl) a, for example CC#20, on the Macro 1 knob ("Swell") make it possible to do an accurate and smooth expression automation.

It will be fixed soon on the next update.

Feel free to contact me at anytime if you have any questions, problems or need any further assistance.