KVR Audio

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:44 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Guess those people were using older VST versions, which indeed make you wish for a GUI version of each and every plugin featuring more than 3 parameters.

By old VST, I assume you mean like this:

Yes, definitely wrist-slitting territory of awfulness.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:56 am

shamann wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote:Guess those people were using older VST versions, which indeed make you wish for a GUI version of each and every plugin featuring more than 3 parameters.
By old VST, I assume you mean like this:

Yes, definitely wrist-slitting territory of awfulness.

What host does that? That would do my head in.

FL Studio covers all the parameters to their own knob under one page - no scrolling through parameters. Not that bad considering all the native FL effects used to be that way.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:08 am

shamann wrote:People really have been requesting GUI versions of the simulanalog stuff? None of them are so complex that I would have thought it mattered. Now, the forever-coming-soon SimulAnalog Vintage Suite, I'd love to have tried that.

I agree with that one!

--Sean

toine6 · Post by **toine6** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:13 am

Le Chase wrote:
shamann wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote:Guess those people were using older VST versions, which indeed make you wish for a GUI version of each and every plugin featuring more than 3 parameters.
By old VST, I assume you mean like this:

Yes, definitely wrist-slitting territory of awfulness.
What host does that? That would do my head in.

That's the original VST wrapper! Steinberg Cubase! That's how they all started.

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:20 am

the_good_olD_days_of_cubase_vst3

JackDark · Post by **JackDark** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:35 am

audiojunkie wrote:I'll ignore your sarcasm, lack of enthusiasm, trolling?, etc., and just simply inform (remind?) you that people have been requesting GUI versions for the simuanalog stuff for almost as long as it has been out. Many of us thought it would never happen. Imagine to my surprise........

I'm not saying it's wrong that the VST finally got a wrapper. That's nice. However, I strongly believe GUI designers should try harder these days than "it looks just like the hardware". It bothers me that people still get excited about that choice for a GUI. To me, as a VST designer, it's a cop-out.

But hey I made a VST with transparent hearts floating over naked nipples for knobs, so I'm not exactly swingin' with the borg minded bourgeois anyway. Even if that does make me a "sarcastic unenthusiastic troll" for having a bout of impatience now and then. I'd rather be that then just another hyperactive receptor over conventional mediocrity.

VST's are hotrods, pimp them out says I.

glurgle · Post by **glurgle** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:17 am

AndrewSimon wrote:Yes it's big...... huge..... I think it's time for the VST standard to adopt vector based GUI that the user can resize and it will be saved for next time you open the plug.

I've seen one plugin that did, an unfinished beta of something-never-to-be-released, it was quite pretty and functional. I do wish there were more around.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:39 am

i don't mind the tracktion default gui. i even find it easy to set up onepingonly with it

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:41 am

JackDark wrote:
audiojunkie wrote:I'll ignore your sarcasm, lack of enthusiasm, trolling?, etc., and just simply inform (remind?) you that people have been requesting GUI versions for the simuanalog stuff for almost as long as it has been out. Many of us thought it would never happen. Imagine to my surprise........
I'm not saying it's wrong that the VST finally got a wrapper. That's nice. However, I strongly believe GUI designers should try harder these days than "it looks just like the hardware". It bothers me that people still get excited about that choice for a GUI. To me, as a VST designer, it's a cop-out.

But hey I made a VST with transparent hearts floating over naked nipples for knobs, so I'm not exactly swingin' with the borg minded bourgeois anyway. Even if that does make me a "sarcastic unenthusiastic troll" for having a bout of impatience now and then. I'd rather be that then just another hyperactive receptor over conventional mediocrity.

VST's are hotrods, pimp them out says I.

When put that way, I can see your point and in many ways I agree with it.

I can't say I'd ever go for transparent hears floating over naked nipples though.....

Actually, I really like the functionality look over the artistic look when it comes to tools. I was one of those who begged Krakli for a more functional/less artistic GUI for Cygnus. I was really pleased when he released the second GUI for it.

Also, I know this turns a lot of people off and is even a pet peeve to some, but I am much more likely to use a VST if it has a nice looking GUI than if it has a crappy GUI or no GUI at all. To me, it's all part of the fun. I can't ask others to feel the same way as I do--maybe it's strange. I am big into aesthetics.

So, I guess I'll say, "to each his/her own." There are valid points to both sides and preference has no right or wrong answer.

--Sean

P.S. After reading your clarification, I apologize for implying that you might be a troll.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:43 am

glurgle wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Yes it's big...... huge..... I think it's time for the VST standard to adopt vector based GUI that the user can resize and it will be saved for next time you open the plug.
I've seen one plugin that did, an unfinished beta of something-never-to-be-released, it was quite pretty and functional. I do wish there were more around.

The great Synth 1 does this, I believe.

--Sean

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:52 am

is_synth1_the_new_OnePingOnly?

JackDark · Post by **JackDark** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:21 am

audiojunkie wrote:I apologize for implying that you might be a troll.

glurgle · Post by **glurgle** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:35 am

audiojunkie wrote:
glurgle wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Yes it's big...... huge..... I think it's time for the VST standard to adopt vector based GUI that the user can resize and it will be saved for next time you open the plug.
I've seen one plugin that did, an unfinished beta of something-never-to-be-released, it was quite pretty and functional. I do wish there were more around.
The great Synth 1 does this, I believe.

--Sean

erm synth1 as in the freeware synth1 that everybody has used and loved for years? if so I must have really missed something... we're talking about GUIs that resize and all the components within them scale to fit.

edit: just found it

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:52 am

you may be missing this
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/86.html

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:19 pm

androidlove wrote:you may be missing this
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/86.html

Wow!

That is bad. I think more time was spent on the gui!

Umm... No, this isn't the Synth1 that I was talking about.

--Sean

WOW!! Nice GUI version of Simuanalog JVM900 Amp