KVR Audio

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:47 pm

A little gem stumbled upon by plugging the midi output from MUSINUM into a fripp circuit.

4.45MB 128kbps MP3

iceship

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:59 pm

love it!! haunting!!! excellent!!! (BTW,what's a fripp circuit, a feedback loop? I've heard of frippertronics but never quite understood what they were.) I REALLY love this piece.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:08 pm

Properly a Frippertron is very long tape loop between two revox tape machines used to create very, sometimes very very, long delay loops in which the decay of the signal is very gradual.

It has come to mean any kind of music using any kind of technology that uses the echo of very long delays as a compositional feature. My Fripp is a custome circuit built using Reaktor 3, and optimised for very clean decay by using 2x faster internal sampling rate.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:12 pm

Robert Fripp is a guitarist who uses a lot of delay in all kinds of ways, I think thats where the term 'frippertronics' comes from.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:13 am

thanks...I was thinking along those lines...your custom job sounds quite cool...

also, thanks Barf (it's hard for me to write "thanks" and "Barf" right next to each other...but hey!!)

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:56 am

quite loverly ...

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:40 pm

normal wrote:quite loverly ...

Thanks old matey.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:46 pm

cool stuff,ive had it on loops for ages and its very nice n relaxing indeed.
thanks for sharing,and an interesting technique with reaktor care to share more info?
ensebles,instruments used n such

(the names of i mean)

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:56 pm

Barf wrote:Robert Fripp is a guitarist who uses a lot of delay in all kinds of ways, I think thats where the term 'frippertronics' comes from.

I understood Frippertronics was the name of the company that Robert started in order to buy back his copyrights.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:57 pm

vurt wrote:cool stuff,ive had it on loops for ages and its very nice n relaxing indeed.
thanks for sharing,and an interesting technique with reaktor care to share more info?
ensebles,instruments used n such (the names of i mean)

Oh lawdy vurt. OK. Well it's many years since I last sparked up the editor part and it's refusing to work right now, I mostly just use the FX plug with the few bits I regularly use. I don't have the temprament for Reakting, it's too much like hard work, but...

It's essentially the best of the delays available in that version with a simple feedback loop going through an amp stage to control the decay. The louder the feed back the longer the decay. I also did something tricksy so that the midi clock could be furkled up into a delay time in order to avoid calculating ms values.

There's a fairly good free fripp by Ellotronix, but I find the interface a bit busy for my taste, which also does an emulation of Revox tape noise for those who want that. You either go for strict architecture with a frippertron, or just go waah and crazy.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:23 am

Very, very nice! Very relaxed and quiet. I like that.

What is a MUSINUM?

Best wishes, FRitz

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:00 pm

fritzman wrote:Very, very nice! Very relaxed and quiet. I like that.

What is a MUSINUM?

Best wishes, FRitz

A seven year old application by Lars Kindermann that generates midi notes according numeric permutations.

Still available at:

http://reglos.de/musinum/

kevink · Post by **kevink** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:25 pm

HanafiH wrote:Properly a Frippertron is very long tape loop between two revox tape machines used to create very, sometimes very very, long delay loops in which the decay of the signal is very gradual.

A minor correction here - there was no actual tape *loop* in the original Frippertronics rig. There was a feed-out reel on one Revox A77, and a take-up reel on the other. The "loop" was an electronic feedback loop from the second (playback) machine and the first (record). The tension arm on the recording machine was strapped up so that the auto-shutoff wouldn't happen. Each "piece" was constrained to be no longer than the length of a tape reel. In one of the concerts I attended, after getting to the end of a reel, Fripp rewound the tape, and did a straight playback (all the echoes being on the tape) while soloing over the top with unlooped guitar.

One element of his technique in doing this that isn't often discussed was his means of "editing" the loops in real time. It's true that once a note goes onto the tape, it's going to be there for some number of echoes, whether one likes it or not, but Fripp discovered (or was maybe told by Brian Eno) that if one overlays a note with another that is strongly dissonant, there's a sort of mutual annihilation effect - even thought there's more total energy in the "bad" note plus the "anti" note, the dissonant sound of the two together fades away much more quickly than a "good" note played on the same pass as the bad one. I don't know why this should work, but I was able to reproduce it myself using an old tape echoplex. I suspect it's a property of analog magnetic recording.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:30 pm

Really like it! I'm just getting into Frippatronics right now actually. As a matter of fact, for my studiocraft module, I composed a Frippertronics piece. Maybe I'll upload it too.

Really nice work H.

Ambient frippatron