A new breed of electric guitar sample cds

[Artgiver]

Hi all,

I've checked out a lot of electric guitar sample cds and guitar plugins and have noticed that they all have great licks, singles shots, tons of chords, etc. But, they lack in short to medium phrases - phrases which one could seemlessly chain together causing a riff or complicated lead whereby it sounds almost exactly like a real guitarist. Such samples have to be carefully crafted whereby they 'fit together' in a way that

• 1) sounds like someone actually playing and
  2) sounds like you played it and not the sample creator or a popular plugin everyone is 'used to' hearing.

If you found a guitar sample cd/dvd which could actually pull this off, of which a fellow colleague and i believe we can, would you buy it - keeping in mind it was priced right and the guitarists were of expert level (25-35 yrs experience)?

I know the sample market is tough these days but this would be something very unique. The package would contain literally 25-30 gigs of HQ samples/presets, GULP! I can post a few free examples if you want. Please help me out in this as it could benefit so many composers as well as us. We haven't begun this project yet so i'm trying to get a little response from everyone in this forum concerning this 'poll'. Thanx guys!

Tim

[SampleStream]

http://www.prominy.com/

[Yossarian]

If you found a guitar sample cd/dvd which could actually pull this off, of which a fellow colleague and i believe we can, would you buy it - keeping in mind it was priced right and the guitarists were of expert level (25-35 yrs experience)?

I would definitely be interested. What format would this be in? You mentioned presets, so I assume you're not just talking about wav files?

I think the big hurdle is how to organize all these samples to make it easy to find the right one but I guess you've already got ideas about this.

/Yoss

[xuanvu]

I'm in a process of finding a good electric guitar plugins that allow me to do those kind of things you mentioned... LPC have killer examples, but kinda expensive... I would definately be interested!

Kenny.

[Artgiver]

What format would this be in? You mentioned presets, so I assume you're not just talking about wav files?

Formats would be sf2, Vsampler and wav for now, Kontakt 2 later on.
The presets would be for the many different amp models we would be using as well as the many riffs with FX, etc.

Also, Prominy has good stuff but it's expensive. These dvds would be much cheaper without sacrificing the quality. Prominy's offers a "Les Paul" set. But it's not the 'Les Paul' guitar which gives a certain 'sound' but the amps, pickups, mics, FX, and techniques used. Also, the 25-30 gigs i referred to encompasses the electric guitar ALONE, so our offer is the same as thiers in regard to size (customers would also have the option of ordering 24/96 res sample dvds or 16/44 res dvds). Clean and distorted sets would be offered as well. Also we would be offering a unique way of working WITH out customers by offering customized licks for those who can't quite capture the feel of what they're hearing in their heads.

Thanx for your input guys!

Tim

[SampleStream]

What format would this be in? You mentioned presets, so I assume you're not just talking about wav files?

Formats would be sf2, Vsampler and wav for now, Kontakt 2 later on.

Sf2 would not be able to do what you suggest you would like to do. You are going to need at least NI K2 or Giga formats.

Its also going to be one heck of a lot of work – so you are going to need to be aware that your library will be a labour of love rather than anything you will make money on – the time it takes to sample a guitar, recording it time and time again – edit the waves – label them, get the tuning right, group them – then program the patches – phew! Rather you than me on a project that big in a flooded market.

[Artgiver]

Yeah that IS a lot of work, but if i could make some extra income on the side i would be happy. As you said, this would indeed be a labor of Love but Love's what it's all about right?
No seriously, i don't want to pursue something that i can't make money at, but seeing that our prices would be lower without sacrificing talent or quality AND we would be offering something that none of the 'big' guys offer which is the benefit of customers being able to 'request' custom made licks/riffs for their tunes.

Here is an example we would be offering in our freebie's section:
www.wordsong.info/files/hardrockriff1.mp3

Clean guitar example:
www.wordsong.info/files/softrockriff1.mp3

Tim

[SampleStream]

customers being able to 'request' custom made licks/riffs for their tunes.

Tim

There you have something that you could do – without the monotony of creating a library – offer your services to create custom scores for existing music tracks by artists that need real guitar – if the guitar playing is that great, it will soon get around that your services would be of benefit to those needing a live feel to their tracks when it comes to music and guitar parts.

IE – you could 'without the agro of design in development of a sample set' set up a service where a guy sends you a sketch render with instructions of what they would like guitar part wise - you play what they want for a fee and send them a wave for them to mix into their master track.

Heck – take that a step further – offer a service where someone might want a cord progression and you charge – ‘per cord’ strummed or plucked in the style they want – you could do ‘strum packs’ in a certain key that guys can purchase to mix n match – after you get a few requests for strum parts, you will know what packs to make etc.

Quicker set-up, lower overheads and has the potential to be of benift to many.

[Artgiver]

Thanx ST!
Hmmm, maybe i SHOULD focus on just creating riffs for people. It's just that my partner has tons of different amps, equipment, FX, etc. But i guess i could still do what you're referring to. I have A LOT of equipment too, but it's mostly recording equipment. Let me think about this throughtout the day and i'll reply back with comments and all. Thanx again for your thoughts. That's exactly what this post was for. You'll be first to receive some complimentary licks/riffs if i decide to do this .

Tim

[Chamelion]

Absolutely!

I'm a jingle writer/producer from Sydney Australia, and I think you're onto something, I've just ordered Liquid Guitar, and anything that will help me to speed up my workflow would be most welcome.

If you have any demos that illustrate what you have in mind, I'd love to hear them.

Good luck with your venture,

Geoff

[Chamelion]

If you found a guitar sample cd/dvd which could actually pull this off, of which a fellow colleague and i believe we can, would you buy it - keeping in mind it was priced right and the guitarists were of expert level (25-35 yrs experience)?

Tim

Absolutely!

I'm a jingle writer/producer from Sydney Australia, and I think you're onto something, I've just ordered Liquid Guitar, and anything that will help me to speed up my workflow would be most welcome.

If you have any demos that illustrate what you have in mind, I'd love to hear them.

Good luck with your venture,

Geoff

[Gargoyle]

Interesting idea, Artgiver.
Judging by my (albeit limited in the universal scheme of things) experience I think you'll have to position the idea very carefully indeed. This positioning I think is between, on the one hand, people who think they can do a passable job themselves on their own guitars, using samples, or something like ManyGuitar and, on the other, people who are affluent enough to bring in a musician at any cost for the purpose.

(There are parallels there for my field of business, but I won't bore you with that!)

Since you have access to all that equipment how about creating some good impulse responses and charging something for those that will provide some quantity orders to help fund the licks/riffs business? Every business needs its bread-and-butter products

Anyway, best of luck with it and I hope that in some small way my comments were useful.

[Artgiver]

Chamelion,
i used to do jingle work too, even did one for the INSP network a few years back. SampleStream got me to thinking i might make more money offering my guitar services via the web (might call myself 'The Web Musician') with rates lower than the typical local studio musician. I'll have my clients send in either an mp3 or tab file of what they want, or i could even write my own lead/rythem part for them. I posted a few examples of my guitar work above and i'll post more after i do some recording.

Gargoyle, yeah, good point.
Those 'who think they can do a passable job themselves on their own guitars, using samples, or ManyGuitar' is something i will indeed consider. But i believe i can offer them more since some people want guitar parts as complicated as say Jason Becker, Vinnie Moore, Alan Holesworth, etc. This type of guitar plying is extremely hard to pull off unless someone does it for them. As far as hiring someone locally they would probably have to dish out more cash whereas my services being 'virtual' i will offer cheaper rates playing in the comfort of my own studio.

Thanx for the response & ideas guys!

blessings..

Tim

[dusted william]

virtual guitar from Steinberg already does this.

dw

[Chamelion]

virtual guitar from Steinberg already does this.

dw

I guess it's better than nothing, but you have to admit that it's pretty hokey - and there is no lead stuff at all. There's definitely a giant gap in the market for something that does the job really well.

Cheers,

Geoff