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bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:15 pm

Ildon wrote:Cubase users are the devil.

Yes, that's right, I said it.

Just kidding.

HanafiH nailed it, I think. How annoying.

What? That whole "narrow base of hardware" thing? A little...speculative, don't you think?

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:24 pm

Link to the custom Cubase keyboard, for those who haven't already got one:

http://tinyurl.com/5tccf

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:35 pm

bduffy wrote:
Ildon wrote:Cubase users are the devil.

Yes, that's right, I said it.

Just kidding.

HanafiH nailed it, I think. How annoying.
What? That whole "narrow base of hardware" thing? A little...speculative, don't you think?

Who cares? All I'm saying is that it's possible that Steinberg wants people to buy Cubase in ignorance.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:38 pm

Sonar plain rocks. I dont know about Cubase though - never used it.

The main thing is, whatever host you buy, make sure you have the features you want and after you buy it, learn all the shortcuts and read the manual. Thats my 2 cents.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:43 pm

Ildon wrote:
bduffy wrote:
Ildon wrote:Cubase users are the devil.

Yes, that's right, I said it.

Just kidding.

HanafiH nailed it, I think. How annoying.
What? That whole "narrow base of hardware" thing? A little...speculative, don't you think?
Who cares? All I'm saying is that it's possible that Steinberg wants people to buy Cubase in ignorance.

Oh, was that the point? Sure, I can go with that. Hell, it appears to be true: deicde to buy via reputation alone, or take a chance on the lower-tier product.

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:55 pm

Exactly. "Pendulum uses it, so it must be the best!" etc.

*phew*

martian · Post by **martian** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:08 pm

Manc Chris wrote:
martian wrote:its unfortunate there are no longer demos, i expect entirely down to piracy.

but you can always go down to your local music store and get a proper demonstration, which would likely give you a better view of its capabilities anyway.
. How many times does the poor guy need to reiterate his point? That point being : -
He wants to see if Cubase SX suits his machine/hardware. Patently there's no value at all in him looking over someone's shoulder at a music shop.

sorry, i was actually aware of this when i wrote that reply. it just didnt sink in as something of valid concern, compared to the loss of a trial experience with the softwares features/workflow/etc. but on reflection, if its your first step into the big expensive sequencer market then i can see the concern, although i think its probably unnecessary unless you have some odd leftfield set-up.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:16 pm

stag wrote:
HanafiH wrote:
On the other hand, a more plausible explanation is that the software is only stable on such a narrow base of hardware that the cost of providing technical support on a workable demo would be substantial and the probability of leveraging a profit from a sale in ignorance is better than the probability of an informed lost sale.

Ignorance is profit.
Probably ignorance is soluble on H20
YAMAHA DSPF, EDIROL PCRa 30, TASCAM US-122, RME FireFace 800, the sound cards i currently own and use on many setups, from the shitiest of the shitiest to boutique machines whitout a glitch.

The only setup that was a real dog was Behringer BCA2000, but it was regarding performance almost halved any of the previous setups.

Hacking Cubase threads seems to be the coolest thing around here, kind of the cool rebel against some kind of authority, again i think it has all to do with the dongle... or lack of it

Hoo! Whoopy doo dah! The great smell of fanboy.

Firstly, I have an SX1 dongle. Set in resin on the mantlepiece.

Secondly, don't try Yamaha DSPF in the same breath as Cubase, that's why the dongle's set in resin.

Thirdly, how's about an original AWE64 Gold, or an on-mobo sound chip, or any other of the great wash of totally useless sound creating rubbish that gets sold at Malls and Supermarkets everywhere in the world? That's what I mean by NARROW HARDWARE BASE - there are very few sound making devices that are actually any good. If you put a demo up, whoever you are, unless you have extensive frontline tech support, you're going to get no end of loony toons trying to run your product on two tins a piece of string.

Steinberg has historically avoided support costs whenever and wherever it can, that's why you saddo's get to flame anybody who asks a question, raises a criticism or even just happens to own anything you don't own.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:29 pm

"Dameda! I am Cubase Fanboy and I will not tolerate any question unless I see your sales reciept!

Hai Hai SONAR suk
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Steinberg products: Just say no.

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Soon we'll have separate water fountains for Cubase and Sonar users.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Sorry, not following your banter, Old Chap.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:51 pm

stag · Post by **stag** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:22 pm

I assume you are trying to be humorous\smart.
I appreciate your efforts albeit i find them childish and ridicule.
YAMAHA DSPF support on VST\SX1 was far superior than Sonar´s or Logic´s, IMHO.
It took me a hard month of manual reading and experimentation but i could at last record a band, do hardware\software mnitoring, mix whatever.
On other apps i couldn´t without C-Console.
Cubase support of DSPF could be better, but it was better than competition, and looking back for the price i paid for the soundcard it could came with some support itself, like RME´s Totalmix.

Anyway i reckon your Anti Steinberg Crusade entertaining i begun to think if its root has anything to do with your inadequacy to understand DSPF concept, I got my DSPF from an individual who tried to get it running with Logic 5 and couldn´t until i came along and bougth both from him so he could go on with some simpler setup... So, I guess, you´re not alone on your anti-something crusade.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:40 pm

Isn't the Yamaha DSPF card kind of outdated now? Wasn't it coded for Win98? Would that explain some of the problems trying to use it with SX 2/3?

Now to get back to the original question: I wrote Steinberg and - contrary to popular lore - got a near instant response! Here's what they said:

Steinberg wrote:Indeed we would love to have a freely available Cubase SX demo version but since Cubase SX is key protected we cannot offer one.
The is a demo for Cubase SX 3 that's shipped with every new VST instrument (e.g. The Grand 2, Hypersonic 2, Groove Agent 2, Virtual Bassist) but it requires the demo license code to be transferred to a Steinberg USB key. Offering Cubase SX 3 for download without the key protection would simply compromise the copy protection for the retail versions.

And there you have it. Another casualty of protection. Too bad. They probably have me for life...but I've never owned a Yamaha DSPF...

stag · Post by **stag** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:57 pm

Well i curently use the FireFace, but i still have the DSPF installed on a older machine running Windows 2000, yes it´s an antique but back in the day 7\4 years ago it was it.
IT runs perfectly on SX3, Steinberg had the best support of all including Sonar, Samp, Logic and whatever people used back then.
It was very hard to understand and use, but it was like having a YAMAHA mixer in the box.

Bye.

How is one supposed to try Cubase???