KVR Audio

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:03 am

... host with a 64 bit audio engine. No I don't want to start this boring flame thing again.
There once was this nice Cakewalk man who said that some of their customers heard a significant difference to the 32bit engine.
Does anybody with Sonar5 has made a comparisson and would like to post some comparing audios, please?

All the best, FRitz

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:08 am

Have a look at the CW forums; a few people there seem to detect a difference.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:12 am

fritzman wrote:... host with a 64 bit audio engine. No I don't want to start this boring flame thing again.
There once was this nice Cakewalk man who said that some of their customers heard a significant difference to the 32bit engine.

There was indeed. In fact he said it here at kvr. What's more he made a point of saying "some of our customers" because he knew he'd be laughing stock if he claimed he, or anyone else at cake, could hear any difference.

Karbon L. Forms · Post by **Karbon L. Forms** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:17 am

a lot of CW forum members have GOD. they hear things that arent there all the time, so take with a pinch of salt.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:25 am

nuffink wrote:There was indeed. In fact he said it here at kvr. What's more he made a point of saying "some of our customers" because he knew he'd be laughing stock if he claimed he, or anyone else at cake, could hear any difference.

arke · Post by **arke** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:29 am

All 64 bit will do in comparison to 32 bit is an increase of the dynamic range of the audio by a magnitude of 4.2 billion. That really is alot! Unfortunately, we can't hear the damn differnece once it goes out on our 32 bit sound cards after we compressed the hell out of it.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:33 am

arke wrote:All 64 bit will do in comparison to 32 bit is an increase of the dynamic range of the audio by a magnitude of 4.2 billion. That really is alot! Unfortunately, we can't hear the damn differnece once it goes out on our 32 bit sound cards after we compressed the hell out of it.

Get a decent soundcard and learn a bit more about compression then.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:34 am

Hm,

sorry guys but I would like to hear some audios that are supposed to show the difference.

Best wishes, FRitz

P.S. I'm happy with my 32bit sound, I'm just a little bored and tired right now.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:47 am

nuffink wrote:
fritzman wrote:... host with a 64 bit audio engine. No I don't want to start this boring flame thing again.
There once was this nice Cakewalk man who said that some of their customers heard a significant difference to the 32bit engine.
There was indeed. In fact he said it here at kvr. What's more he made a point of saying "some of our customers" because he knew he'd be laughing stock if he claimed he, or anyone else at cake, could hear any difference.

Yep. Anyone for a double blind test?

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:53 am

Here you go... http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 97#1498197

Ron Kuper insinuating that 64 bit sounds better without laying himself open to ridicule. The world of marketing salutes you, Ron.

arke · Post by **arke** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:07 pm

Kriminal wrote:
arke wrote:All 64 bit will do in comparison to 32 bit is an increase of the dynamic range of the audio by a magnitude of 4.2 billion. That really is alot! Unfortunately, we can't hear the damn differnece once it goes out on our 32 bit sound cards after we compressed the hell out of it.
Get a decent soundcard and learn a bit more about compression then.

watch out for Krim's music, he's got 18446744073709551616 different amplitude values! Its big, so it must be good, right?

...Oh wait, he's still on Orion .. thats only 4294967296 different values, I'm sorry ... Or have you switched to Sonar yet, hmm?

you're hilarious, man

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:11 pm

fritzman wrote: There once was this nice Cakewalk man who said that some of their customers heard a significant difference to the 32bit engine.

right...and Im sure the average Joe will notice a world of difference once that pristine render has been converted to a 128k MP3 file and is being listened to through earbuds on the subway.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:56 pm

The only thing I notice, and It quite possibly could be in my head, is that peaks seem less likely to clip if I am teetering on the edge of 0db. I purposely Lo-fi ize things and the ambient noise level at my home studio is ~ -50 db, so I dont have a whole lot of dynamic range.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:38 pm

soulkraka wrote:
fritzman wrote: There once was this nice Cakewalk man who said that some of their customers heard a significant difference to the 32bit engine.
right...and Im sure the average Joe will notice a world of difference once that pristine render has been converted to a 128k MP3 file and is being listened to through earbuds on the subway.

Yeah sure. Same goes for the difference made by a $1.000.000 Neve console, 2 dozen $5000 mics, 6 racks full of expensive stuff and several rooms acoustically designed for another 2 million can't be heard there also. No problem.
But I am interested in anything audible to proove the marketing claim. Should be easy if somebody has two mixdowns. I can't imagine that everybody on Sonar5 simply checked the button for 64bit and feels happy, right? Not everybody is believing in marketing and is basing their decisions 100% on that stuff. So, does anybody have a direct link to some audios, please? Yes, I checked the CW forum and I didn't find a thing.

Best wishes, FRitz

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:39 am

fritzman wrote:I checked the CW forum and I didn't find a thing.

Plenty of people posted on that forum that they noticed a better audio engine(when 5 came out),but wether or not that had to do with the internal 64 bit resolution is another story,but having less narrow bandwidth in the summing bus can't hurt during mixdowns.Your probably not going too find many posts regarding this issue because it's old news to us by now.Posting mixes on line is a waste of time because of the variance of quality going in if you get my drift,unless someone records and mixes down the same thing in Sonar4 for comparison.Good luck in finding someone with that kind of time to waste. I'll put forth this though,I mainly notice more detail in VSTi's and some plugins and an improved stereo image and mixdowns. Do I hear a huge difference? No,but even though I have Sonar 4 installed I won't even use it to finish old projects and I'm usually not that fussy. Maybe when we get more plugs and VSTi's that use a 64 bit internal path we'll notice even more,who knows,but for now I'm happy with the difference.

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