of course, there are supposed 'correct' and 'incorrect' ways to do anything musical, but i found it suits perfectly where it is in my chain, taking it out just doesnt sound right, and i am of the school of 'if it sounds right, it is right'jmh wrote:The correct position for BBE would be outside the signal chain - especially the master channel. Might do something for individual elements. Taste thing and all that, it's not to my taste. Just as this opinion isn't probably to anyone's taste.
JMH
Where to place BBE sonic maximizer in mastering?
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
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- KVRAF
- 11386 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Yes. As a first time web designer I would agree that "if it looks good it looks good". Here come my pink and magenta all over the place! wohoo! 
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
Kriminal Indeed. That's what I was after with the taste issueKriminal wrote:of course, there are supposed 'correct' and 'incorrect' ways to do anything musical, but i found it suits perfectly where it is in my chain, taking it out just doesnt sound right, and i am of the school of 'if it sounds right, it is right'
And I agree, deep down behind the 'self appointed golden eared' facade, I follow the same principle.Now imagine getting constant consultation about everything sound related from bmanic and Kingston =)
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- KVRist
- 125 posts since 7 Jan, 2004 from London, UK
IMHO that you should place the BBE in the bin where it belongs. Sorry, but I've never felt more stupid paying money for a plugin that (to me) does nothing but provide an initial "wow!" effect - until you realise on listening closely that the original signal has been significantly degraded. Just my opinion...
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- KVRian
- 520 posts since 11 Sep, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
I would never use any kind of exciter in the mastering chain, unless the mix is FUBAR.
If you need exciting on your master you should go back to mixing.
If you need exciting on your master you should go back to mixing.
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Lawnmower Of The Damned Lawnmower Of The Damned https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29783
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- 850 posts since 16 Jun, 2004
I know lots of guitarists who use the Sonic Maximizer through their amp's effects loop. Who said the SM was only for mastering?
Excuse all the blood.
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- 1408 posts since 9 May, 2003 from Manchester, UK
I don't think anyone could argue with that logic.bleebsen wrote: If you need exciting on your master you should go back to mixing.
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- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
i think it was originally a bass guitar effect anyway.Lawnmower Of The Damned wrote:I know lots of guitarists who use the Sonic Maximizer through their amp's effects loop. Who said the SM was only for mastering?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I love music...there is no right way, just the right way for you (not as in attacking you)
exactly why I would dither first, dynamic processing can also have the potential fix those little artifacts...that was my logic...exactly opposite of yours...but seems too me to be six of one, half dozen of the other...I wouldn't dither the mix and then do any mastering - dithering adds (admittedly only small amounts of) noise, so any compression, limiting etc has the potential to increase that to noticeable levels. And if you're going to send out for mastering, they're going to prefer 32 or 24bit masters to 16bit if they have the choice.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
i personally like popping on some exciters on ozone on some tracks here and there and yeah sure a bit on the master, why not?
just put in what you want. All this "i want to sound pro" stuff sucks, just learn techniques and experiment with what you have, and you will find your niche.
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just put in what you want. All this "i want to sound pro" stuff sucks, just learn techniques and experiment with what you have, and you will find your niche.
RonC
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- KVRAF
- 8727 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
So you go back, get the best mix possible, and then add your enhancer of choice over the top to make it even better.If you need exciting on your master you should go back to mixing.
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- KVRist
- 406 posts since 31 Jan, 2004 from Sweden
The Spectralive has much more tweaking possibilities, IMO.
But I guess it needs some nice plugs to enhance the dynamics from it also.
But I guess it needs some nice plugs to enhance the dynamics from it also.
Cheers Bob
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Back for plug development in Sonic Birth.
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- KVRist
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- 466 posts since 14 Nov, 2003
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using as the last instance - I have some reservations:
1 bbe doesn't brickwall the peaks under 0dB; to keep it under that level turn down the material which reduces the overall perceived and actual volume
2 bbe increasxes bit depth of sound to at least 24, so it does take at least a ditherer afetrwards
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thanks guys for the alternatives of bbe. I'll try them
using as the last instance - I have some reservations:
1 bbe doesn't brickwall the peaks under 0dB; to keep it under that level turn down the material which reduces the overall perceived and actual volume
2 bbe increasxes bit depth of sound to at least 24, so it does take at least a ditherer afetrwards
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thanks guys for the alternatives of bbe. I'll try them
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Jason Brian Merrill Jason Brian Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=87372
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- 2694 posts since 11 Nov, 2005 from http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Massena,+NY --(on the Canadian border)
to answer the original question:
Where to place BBE sonic maximizer in mastering?
Where to place BBE sonic maximizer in mastering?
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Jason Brian Merrill wrote:Where to place BBE sonic maximizer in mastering?
A good one.
The new (and free!) CLAS plugin by refinedaudiometrics is excellent by the way. That I don't hesitate to put in master chain, or in good spots in the mix. Works like a charm.
But then, I'm talking about 96khz...