distortion/fuzz pedal or izotope trash?

[feyshay]

I have a Fender Super Reverb and use a Fulltone FullDrive to get a nice overdriven edge. Sounds great. I also use the POD XT Live sometimes for distortion purposes or modeling (although I try to avoid, preferring to microphone the amp).
I'm thinking the Super Reverb is great for clean but not so good for distortion.
I don't have the money to get another amp at this time.
To get big time distortion would I do better by getting a distortion pedal in front of the Super Reverb (something like the TurboRat) or better to just mic the amp with a little distortion and add big time distortion ITB, using izotope trash.
I'm interested in your opinion in this. Thanks.

[Sepheritoh]

Your options are much greater with a wide variety of sounds with Trash. I usually record my guitar both clean and distorted amp (small Marshall amp). I just like to layer the two tracks - sometimes even layer 3 or 4 times. Most amps does sound good, but the sounds are limited. You might be going for the signature sound thing where yu want all your songs to sound the same. Alternatively you may want wider variety and then Trash is a real good bet.

[lfm]

I have not tried to feed Trash with a miked sound as Trash has rather good miked cabinet simulation itself.

But it is for sure different feeding it with already ambient amped sound adding dist, and just lining the guitar and processing it.

Since you like to mike the amp already, why not try it with Trash demo. Just record a track(a wave) and then process it. The possibilities in Trash are just about endless to add just what you need after the recording is made. And in realtime while recording as well.

[rpc9943]

i feel kind of limited with the distortion/overdrive of my trash. I bought it a while back and I feel like I can't get the sounds I want............... grr! I end up popping "BUZ" distortion over it or using one of those cyanide plugs down on it... sigh. Maybe there's something I'm not getting

besides (the ENTIRE REASON FOR GETTING TRASH), the amp sims are good etc.... I think I need some tutes. I don't really like the presets at all either. Even the hundreds i downloaded from their site. wtf.

RonC

RonC

[reprznt]

what is Buz?

is that a distortion vst?

[multree]

well when you prefer to mic the amp.... go with a cool pedal

good ones are.....

ProCo TurboRat as you stated for a brutal sound
Marshall Shredmaster a bit noisy but the best sound I could find so far.... awesome stomp box... not made anymore though so maybe ebay one
Ibanez TubeKing very neat pedal with a built in Tube very nice sounding
and many more....

[multree]

[Yagushi]

I say get the Rat... it's the distortion pedal IMHO...
In terms of using Trash, I hear it's great (haven't ever used it myself) but you have to keep in mind that doing post-processing is going to mess with the "natural" flow of the signal chain... I personally would want the distortion before the amp...

[tomg]

I have a Fender Super Reverb and use a Fulltone FullDrive to get a nice overdriven edge. Sounds great. I also use the POD XT Live sometimes for distortion purposes or modeling (although I try to avoid, preferring to microphone the amp).
I'm thinking the Super Reverb is great for clean but not so good for distortion.
I don't have the money to get another amp at this time.
To get big time distortion would I do better by getting a distortion pedal in front of the Super Reverb (something like the TurboRat) or better to just mic the amp with a little distortion and add big time distortion ITB, using izotope trash.
I'm interested in your opinion in this. Thanks.

I say get the rat. I'm not happy with any of software distortion yet. Usually your host will have things like a noise gate, compressor and delay/mod stuff that works. It's distortion and tone that's missing.

If you've got the bucks Guitar Rig 2 is the best of the current software bunch. When I first got Amplitube I though I was cool now I hear a springy noise and can't get past it or use it any more.

I use a Podxt a lot but it's limited in ways too. There is a something to be said for the sound of a rat and some tubes. The Korg A5 multi-box is not as sought after and can be found cheap. Very good distortion and noise gate.. the rest pretty much sucks but it's cheap and it runs on a wall wart so no 9Vs to buy.

Personally I prefer the original grungy-dark Rat over the brighter turbo version especally with a super reverb.

I pulled 2 of the 6550s in my V5 (it's still way too friking loud but it was built to kill!!) and I'm starting to use my old pedal collection and cry baby these days. I've pretty much got the real stuff. I've started using some of my old synth hardware too. It's like taking the cotton out of my ears.

BTW you can have a tech replace the 6L6's with EL34's and have smoother wonderfully warm distorted little killer. Do not do it yourself. It requires some dangerous High Voltage rewiring. 6L6's have always sounded harsh to my hears. While he's at it have him chain pre1 -> pre2 and use the pre1 bright switch for Pre1 bypass. It'd almost be a KittyHawk & 50w plexi. You may not even want a Rat.

I've just about given in to the fact that I'm going to have rebuild my old 2xEL34 50w plexi clone. Or come up with a tight little 1x6V6 w/8"

Tom

[reprznt]

somewhat off topic... but are there any Distortion Impulse Responces?

[shamann]

somewhat off topic... but are there any Distortion Impulse Responces?

Distortion can't be modelled by convolution. Impulse responses can only capture porcesses that occur over a length of time (like reverb for example), where as distortion isn't a time-based process (instantaneous rather having a beginning and an end).